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Hermes Thoth
04-24-2008, 03:47 PM
The tools of the new world order are,
1. an international army;
2. an international police force;
3. a world bank for the economy;
4. a world government under the United Nations;
5. a world conservatory bank for wilderness preservation around the world. That means all ‘green’ movements will be melded into the new international bank or disappear altogether;
6. a world religion where all church doctrines will be destroyed at the roots to be replaced by the new world religion of the age of Aquarius;
7. the world seven-races classification for all human slaves who will fulfill predetermined work tasks whether they agree with it or not;
8. the world concentration headquarters at the United Nations for those who will not accept the new system;
9. the world agriculture and food supply control which will control food and vitamin supplies around the world.


http://100777.com/node/1207

uscitizen
04-24-2008, 07:46 PM
It must be rough being so paranoid.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 05:32 AM
It must be rough being so paranoid.

Not really. Is it rough with your head up your ass?

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 05:39 AM
Oh and usc, which of the items listed above is not being created as we speak?

uscitizen
04-25-2008, 06:45 AM
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Dilloduck
04-25-2008, 06:49 AM
The tools of the new world order are,
1. an international army;
2. an international police force;
3. a world bank for the economy;
4. a world government under the United Nations;
5. a world conservatory bank for wilderness preservation around the world. That means all ‘green’ movements will be melded into the new international bank or disappear altogether;
6. a world religion where all church doctrines will be destroyed at the roots to be replaced by the new world religion of the age of Aquarius;
7. the world seven-races classification for all human slaves who will fulfill predetermined work tasks whether they agree with it or not;
8. the world concentration headquarters at the United Nations for those who will not accept the new system;
9. the world agriculture and food supply control which will control food and vitamin supplies around the world.


http://100777.com/node/1207

You forgot a world propaganda--er I mean media and "educational" system.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 06:56 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Age

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New Age is a term used to describe a broad movement within the context of contemporary Western culture, characterized by an eclectic and individual approach to spiritual exploration as part of a general evolution in human consciousness. Other terms used to describe the movement include Self-spirituality, New spirituality, and Mind-body-spirit. [1] [2] [3] The movement started in the second half of the 20th century and originally referenced the supposed coming astrological Age of Aquarius. Beliefs in New Age ideas are found among diverse individuals, including some who graft additional beliefs onto a traditional religious affiliation. [3] Some individuals who hold any of its beliefs may not identify with the term "New Age", and that term may be applied as a label by outsiders to anyone they consider inclined towards its world view.

The New Age movement includes elements of older spiritual and religious traditions from both East and West, many of which have been melded with ideas from modern science, particularly psychology and ecology. New Age ideas could be described as drawing inspiration from all the major world religions with influences from Spiritualism, Buddhism, Hermeticism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Shamanism, Mayanism, Ceremonial magic, Sufism, Taoism, New Thought, Wicca and Neo-Paganism being especially strong.

From this collection of influences have come a wide-ranging literature on spirituality, new forms of music known as "new age music", crafts—most visible in speciality shops and New Age fairs and festivals, and increased interest in the methods of alternative medicine.[4][5]

Damocles
04-25-2008, 07:25 AM
Oh and usc, which of the items listed above is not being created as we speak?
"one world religion", "one world army", "one world police force", all of these are not being created at this moment.

The UN has no army, Interpol has liaisons from regular police forces, not permanent law enforcement officers of its own, and as for religion... Pffft! All you have to do is look at the US and the ME to know that this isn't happening in any of our lifetimes...

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 07:31 AM
"one world religion", "one world army", "one world police force", all of these are not being created at this moment.

The UN has no army, Interpol has liaisons from regular police forces, not permanent law enforcement officers of its own, and as for religion... Pffft! All you have to do is look at the US and the ME to know that this isn't happening in any of our lifetimes...

They're all happening. The UN is given authority at times over troops from member nations.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 07:33 AM
They're all happening. The UN is given authority at times over troops from member nations.
They have no army of their own, and one of the groups gains control. (three nations send troops, one of them will have operational control). The UN has no generals of their own, because they have no army at all.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 07:36 AM
They have no army of their own, and one of the groups gains control. (three nations send troops, one of them will have operational control). The UN has no generals of their own, because they have no army at all.


Their army is the army of the member states who are ordered to serve under UN control.



http://www.apfn.org/thewinds/1997/10/un_army.html
Specialist Michael New was an American soldier, not a UN mercenary. When he asked his superiors for written explanation regarding the UN uniform order, the response was, "the President says so, therefore it is." It may as well be stated, whatever the President says is justified. When relating to the question, why UN insignia must be worn, the answer was "because they look fabulous." He volunteered to serve anywhere the Army wanted to send him provided he could wear the United States Army uniform. That offer was refused. The Army broke its covenant by arbitrarily changing the agreement with Mr. New once he had signed his enlistment papers.

New reasoned that if the Army could force him to wear the UN blue beret in Europe, they could force him to wear it in America. It is a question of authority; "if they can force me to do it anywhere, they can force me to do it everywhere. I don't like the idea of UN soldiers being deployed in the U.S. I don't want to serve in the UN against my country, but theoretically it's possible."

Subsequently, Michael New was court-martialed for refusal to obey the order to wear the UN uniform. Legal counsel assured him that his position "carried the weight of law and that the Army's position seemed to rest not on the law, but was driven by raw political power, constitutional manipulation and sheer intimidation." (Col. Ron Ray). The Army's insistence on pursuing a bad conduct discharge against Specialist New, in spite of his offer to quietly withdraw to another unit, seemed to indicate a desire to make an example of this case.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 07:37 AM
Their army is the army of the member states who are ordered to serve under UN control.
Again, the UN has no "control" of its own as Member Army's serve as operational commanders because there is no UN Army.

What part of that is difficult for you? The part where you are wrong, or the part where I am right?

That the Army forces him to follow their orders doesn't mean that it is suddenly a UN Standing Army.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 07:40 AM
Again, the UN has no "control" of its own as Member Army's serve as operational commanders because there is no UN Army.

What part of that is difficult for you? The part where you are wrong, or the part where I am right?


The commanders are also from member armies. They too don UN uniforms and work on military projects based on intiatives from the UN. Do you deny the existence of UN peacekeepers?

Damocles
04-25-2008, 07:42 AM
The commanders are also from member armies. They too don UN uniforms and work on military projects based on intiatives from the UN. Do you deny the existence of UN peacekeepers?
Again, that doesn't change that they are not UN soldiers, they are simply member armies working together. One of the member armies gets operational control.

They are not UN soldiers, they are blue helmeted US, UK, etc. soldiers.

This is like saying the ICE guys are DEA guys because sometimes they work with them in joint operations.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 07:44 AM
I also note the considerable absence of any argument against my other points.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 07:44 AM
Again, that doesn't change that they are not UN soldiers, they are simply member armies working together. One of the member armies gets operational control.

They are not UN soldiers, they are blue helmeted US, UK, etc. soldiers.

This is like saying the ICE guys are DEA guys because sometimes they work with them in joint operations.

They ACT as UN soldiers when they are called too. Actions are what matters. Effectively the UN does have an army composed of soldiers from member states. Your word games are pathetic.


http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/
Over the years, UN peacekeeping has evolved to meet the demands of different conflicts and a changing political landscape. Born at the time when the Cold War rivalries frequently paralyzed the Security Council, UN peacekeeping goals were primarily limited to maintaining ceasefires and stabilizing situations on the ground, so that efforts could be made at the political level to resolve the conflict by peaceful means. Those missions consisted of military observers and lightly armed troops with monitoring, reporting and confidence-building roles in support of ceasefires and limited peace agreements.

With the end of the Cold War, the strategic context for UN peacekeeping dramatically changed, prompting the Organization to shift and expand its field operations from “traditional” missions involving strictly military tasks, to complex “multidimensional” enterprises designed to ensure the implementation of comprehensive peace agreements and assist in laying the foundations for sustainable peace. Today’s peacekeepers undertake a wide variety of complex tasks, from helping to build sustainable institutions of governance, to human rights monitoring, to security sector reform, to the disarmament, demobilization and reintegration of former combatants.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 07:46 AM
They ACT as UN soldiers when they are called too. Actions are what matters. Effectively the UN does have an army composed of soldiers from member states. Your word games are pathetic.
Word games are played by those who pretend a US soldier is really not a US soldier, not the other way around.

If you must play games like that to attempt to make your point then your point is worthless.

The UN has no army of its own, it has donated forces from member states that can be withdrawn at any time. That the US expects their soldiers to follow orders doesn't change this.

You can cry about US troops wearing blue hats, but it doesn't change that they are US troops.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 07:47 AM
Word games are played by those who pretend a US soldier is really not a US soldier, not the other way around.

If you must play games like that to attempt to make your point then your point is worthless.

The UN has no army of its own, it has donated forces from member states that can be withdrawn at any time.

SO it's army is donated. SO what. It's still it's army. Your wrongness is embedded in your own statements.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 07:48 AM
SO it's army is donated. SO what. It's still it's army. Your wrongness is embedded in your own statements.
Hmmm... Wrong choice of words on my part. "Donated" shows an ownership that doesn't exist.

"Lent" would have been a better word.

They are not UN soldiers, they are US soldiers. It is not a UN army it is a group of members' armies in joint operation. The troops can be withdrawn at any point, and often members reject sending their troops.

When the charter was created any UN army was specifically taken out of the equation because the US is paranoid.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 07:51 AM
Hmmm... Wrong choice of words on my part. "Donated" shows an ownership that doesn't exist.

"Lent" would have been a better word.

They are not UN soldiers, they are US soldiers.

Acting on behalf of UN directives, in violation of their enlistment agreements.

Bottom Line: THe UN can use military force to achieve it's directives. The fact that soldiers are ON LEASE is irrelevant.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 07:52 AM
Acting on behalf of UN directives, in violation of their enlistment agreements.

Bottom Line: THe UN can use military force to achieve it's directives. The fact that soldiers are ON LEASE is irrelevant.
They are not "acting on the behalf of UN directives". They are requested and loaned to support specific action by member states that support the action. Member states often reject lending their troops to actions they don't like. If they were part of a "UN Army" no such rejection would be possible.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 07:53 AM
I'd agree they are one step away from being a International Army, but they are certainly not one now, nor are they "becoming" one as it has worked this way since the end of WWII.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 07:54 AM
They are not "acting on the behalf of UN directives". They are requested and loaned to support specific action.

Yes, specific actions meant to achieve the goals of the UN. You're playing word games again. It's lame.




Member states often reject lending their troops to actions they don't like.

And often they do not. And if an individual soldier refuses, he can be court martialed as in the case of Michael New referenced previously on this thread.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 07:55 AM
Yes, specific actions meant to achieve the goals of the UN. You're playing word games again. It's lame.


And often they do not. And if an individual soldier refuses, he can be court martialed as in the case of Michael New referenced previously on this thread.
Whether they do or do not doesn't change the fact that they are troops of the member state not the UN's troops. That they CAN shows that they are not UN troops.

Just as if your neighbor borrows your axe, it doesn't make it his axe.

Again, the word games are being played by you. The reality is member states can and often do reject lending their troops. If they were "UN Troops" there would be no ability to do that.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 07:57 AM
Whether they do or do not doesn't change the fact that they are troops of the member state not the UN's troops.

That's just a word game. The UN has access to a military to enforce it's goals and it uses it.



That they CAN shows that they are not UN troops.

Just as if your neighbor borrows your axe, it doesn't make it his axe.

But if he uses to go on a killing spree, it doesn't really matter where he got it.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 07:57 AM
That's just a word game. The UN has access to a military to enforce it's goals and it uses it.


But if he uses to go on a killing spree, it doesn't really matter where he got it.
It has to go begging because it has no army of its own.

A bum has access to change, all he has to do is ask.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 07:58 AM
That's just a word game. The UN has access to a military to enforce it's goals and it uses it.


But if he uses to go on a killing spree, it doesn't really matter where he got it.
It does. If he asked to use it in the killing spree and you loaned it to him you supported the killing spree.

It still doesn't make it his axe. The UN has to ask for troops and inform what they will be used for. Members don't give troops unless they support the action to begin with.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 07:59 AM
It has to go begging because it has no army of its own.

A bum has access to change, all he has to do is ask.


They do ok. Most national leaders are on board with the globalist agenda and are more than willing. Our nation especially.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 08:00 AM
They do ok. Most national leaders are on board with the globalist agenda and are more than willing. Our nation especially.
That doesn't make it "their" army.

The word games are yours. You pretend that it doesn't "matter" that the troops aren't theirs they are theirs because <insert word game here>...

I am direct, there is no play. If the US doesn't support the action, they don't send the troops. Shoot, for a long time we didn't even pay our dues as members.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 08:02 AM
That doesn't make it "their" army.

The word games are yours. You pretend that it doesn't "matter" that the troops aren't theirs they are theirs because <insert word game here>...

I am direct, there is no play. If the US doesn't support the action, they don't send the troops. Shoot, for a long time we didn't even pay our dues as members.

The UN still has people with guns enforcing their agenda when they want.

Your fixation on it being "borrowed" is irrelevant.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 08:05 AM
The UN still has people with guns enforcing their agenda when they want.

Your fixation on it being "borrowed" is irrelevant.
No, it isn't. Hence the hours of fun improving your understanding of how the UN works.

And, the US is almost always willing to "help" because the stuff we don't like, we simply veto as a permanent member. Therefore stuff we do like passes, stuff we don't never does.

The UN is pretty much an extension of the US on other places. Held in check by Russia and China.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 08:09 AM
No, it isn't.

Yes. IT is.


Hence the hours of fun improving your understanding of how the UN works.

And, the US is almost always willing to "help" because the stuff we don't like, we simply veto as a permanent member. Therefore stuff we do like passes, stuff we don't never does.

The UN is pretty much an extension of the US on other places. Held in check by Russia and China.

And our leadership is pretty much a bunch internationalist assholes. This offers no succor, sucker.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 08:11 AM
Yes. IT is.


And our leadership is pretty much a bunch internationalist assholes. This offers no succor, sucker.
Oh noees. The US are jerks so that means you are still wrong.. wait... Yep. Still wrong.

The reality is your excuse, "We send troops" is meaningless when the UN pretty much is an extension of our will, if we don't like what they want to do we simply veto it.

The root of your argument is fallacious, therefore all that extends from it is the fruit of the poisoned tree.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 08:14 AM
Oh noees. The US are jerks so that means you are still wrong.. wait... Yep. Still wrong.

The reality is your excuse, "We send troops" is meaningless when the UN pretty much is an extension of our will, if we don't like what they want to do we simply veto it.

You mean the elite of the nation's will.

ENlisted men who don't want to serve are court martialed.

Bottom Line: The UN has military force when it wants it and we agree to it, which is most of the time, considering the UN is an extension of the will of the globalist elites of our nation.

First it was weak, and we hardly ever pay our dues. Now it's a direct extension of our will. Are we weak or strong damo? Make up your mind.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 08:16 AM
You mean the elite of the nation's will.

ENlisted men who don't want to serve are court martialed.

Bottom Line: The UN has military force when it wants it and we agree to it, which is most of the time, considering the UN is an extension of the will of the globalist elites of our nation.

First it was weak, and we hardly ever pay our dues. Now it's a direct extension of our will. Are we weak or strong damo? Make up your mind.
LOL.

Enlisted men who refuse orders are Article 15 and booted. That happens regardless of the order, including where to go and what to do when they get there.

The "strong/weak" thing is not my argument, that is a classic strawman fallacy.

Bottom line: The UN can't send troops to places the US doesn't want them to because the US vetoes it. They don't have troops whenever they want and they must have the approval of all members of the Security council to even get to send troops anywhere.

Of course if the US wants to send troops somewhere that China doesn't like China vetoes it.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 08:20 AM
The real bottom line: The UN has no army. You know it, you attempt to play word games to make members' armies into the UN's. Even when you know that they are not.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 08:34 AM
The real bottom line: The UN has no army. You know it, you attempt to play word games to make members' armies into the UN's. Even when you know that they are not.

THe real real bottom line:

The UN does have access to armies to enforce it's agenda. If they are permanent or ON LOAN makes no difference.

IF the UN is merely an extension of our will, why not just do things in our own name? To get around that pesky Posse Comitatus law?

Damocles
04-25-2008, 08:48 AM
THe real real bottom line:

The UN does have access to armies to enforce it's agenda. If they are permanent or ON LOAN makes no difference.

IF the UN is merely an extension of our will, why not just do things in our own name? To get around that pesky Posse Comitatus law?
We often do. Bosnia was one of those. Well, we used NATO, but not the UN...

Look. I agree, International Army = Bad. Where I disagree is in the reality. There is no international army, no dedicated UN troops.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 08:53 AM
We often do. Bosnia was one of those. Well, we used NATO, but not the UN...

Look. I agree, International Army = Bad. Where I disagree is in the reality. There is no international army, no dedicated UN troops.

So their on loan for specific projects. Look, Your word games don't change the reality that The UN has access to military force and uses it to achieve it's agenda.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 08:56 AM
So their on loan for specific projects. Look, Your word games don't change the reality that The UN has access to military force and uses it to achieve it's agenda.
Again, the fact is there is no such thing as a UN army, which was just "one thing that isn't happening" that you asked for. I gave three, and this was the one that had your "best argument" that still failed.

You were wrong. Now you attempt to say things like, "Well, even though they aren't an International Army, and aren't really UN forces they really 'kinda' are because see, when the Security council votes some people lend some troops...."

Your twist and spin and silly wordgames notwithstanding.

Reality = No UN Army. It doesn't exist. Not there. Isn't real.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 08:58 AM
Again, the fact is there is no such thing as a UN army, which was just "one thing that isn't happening" that you asked for. I gave three, and this was the one that had your "best argument" that still failed.

You were wrong. Now you attempt to say things like, "Well, even though they aren't an International Army, and aren't really UN forces they really 'kinda' are because see, when the Security council votes some people lend some troops...."

Your twist and spin and silly wordgames notwithstanding.

Reality = No UN Army. It doesn't exist. Not there. Isn't real.

It's there when it's needed. It's on loan from member states as needed. You already admitted this.

Your pathetic and desperate denials are becoming quite hilarious. Keep up the good work, Bozo.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 08:59 AM
It's there when it's needed. It's on loan from member states as needed. You already admitted this.

Your pathetic and desperate denials are becoming quite hilarious. Keep up the good work, Bozo.
Not "as needed" I said as "willing" (member states reject the call very often). And that is only when one of the perm members doesn't veto it to begin with.

Again.

Reality doesn't match your word games. What you fear, isn't real. It is a paper tiger. A false ghost of the Scooby Doo variety. A projection of fear, not of reality... (pick your saying...)

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 09:01 AM
Not "as needed" I said as "willing" (member states reject the call very often). And that is only when one of the perm members doesn't veto it to begin with.

Again.

Reality doesn't match your word games. What you fear, isn't real. It is a paper tiger. A false ghost. A projection of fear, not of reality...


No. Your word games fail to obscure the reality that the UN has access to military force, and uses it. The veto power is not comforting considering most governments are composed of assholes.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 09:02 AM
And again.

Are you going to pretend that the "new age movement", already dropping in popularity even in California, is some new religion now?

What about my other points. You've already lost this one. At least you are admitting that the troops are loaned when member states find the cause worthy.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 09:04 AM
No. Your word games fail to obscure the reality that the UN has access to military force, and uses it. The veto power is not comforting considering most governments are composed of assholes.
LOL.

At least you admit that they don't have an army of their own now. That's the first step.

Now, let's talk about how effective the UN is at actually getting anything at all done that is worth anything or makes any changes.

Let's also begin to talk about my other points. "No world religion" and "no world police force". Both of which are even less existent than the non-existent UN Army.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 09:04 AM
And again.

Are you going to pretend that the "new age movement", already dropping in popularity even in California, is some new religion now?

What about my other points. You've already lost this one. At least you are admitting that the troops are loaned when member states find the cause worthy.

Obviously you lost, since you're trying to change the topic.

Again, the fact that it's on loan is irrelevant.

uscitizen
04-25-2008, 09:05 AM
We no more have a one world religious movement than we did hundreds of years ago.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 09:06 AM
Obviously you lost, since you're trying to change the topic.

Again, the fact that it's on loan is irrelevant.
I'm not trying to change anything. Look at my first post in this thread. It is you who wants to ignore points and keep pretending that an entity with no army has one because sometimes member states lend them troops.

And it is relevant. It is pretense to suggest that the choices of member states to support or to deny isn't relevant. It is very clearly relevant in making the reality that the supposed "International Army" doesn't exist at all. Occasionally member states work together. That's it.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 09:07 AM
I'm not trying to change anything. Look at my first post in this thread. It is you who wants to ignore points and keep pretending that an entity with no army has one because sometimes member states lend them troops.

When they are lent, the UN "has them".

Damocles
04-25-2008, 09:09 AM
When they are lent, the UN "has them".
No, they don't. Just like you can take back your axe if you found out the neighbor was planning on using it to torture and kill their dog.

They don't "have" it at all. There is no UN executive branch.

And again, are you going to support any of your other things that I pointed out don't exist or are you going to pretend that an Army that doesn't exist, exists because some members work together.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 09:09 AM
We no more have a one world religious movement than we did hundreds of years ago.

Yes, we do have a one world religious movement more that we did hundreds of years ago.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 09:09 AM
You guys look like fools choosing these little word games hills to die on.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 09:10 AM
LOL.

I love it when the people who break out the game boards attempt to accuse others of playing games.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 09:11 AM
LOL.

I love it when the people who break out the game boards attempt to accuse others of playing games.

I guess that explains your malignant self love.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 09:14 AM
I guess that explains your malignant self love.
There is nothing malignant about liking oneself.

It explains why I find your posts amusing accurately though.

You are fun. Mostly because you deny reality in such a humorous fashion.

The UN is something that could be used to make a "NWO" thing, if it had an executive branch. The US is paranoid about that and refuses to allow them standing troops for a reason.

As long as we continue to act that way, the "international army" fear is as baseless as the "international religion" fear.

uscitizen
04-25-2008, 09:16 AM
Yes, we do have a one world religious movement more that we did hundreds of years ago.

No we don't.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 09:17 AM
There is nothing malignant about liking oneself.

It explains why I find your posts amusing accurately though.

You are fun. Mostly because you deny reality in such a humorous fashion.

The UN is something that could be used to make a "NWO" thing, if it had an executive branch. The US is paranoid about that and refuses to allow them standing troops for a reason.

As long as we continue to act that way, the "international army" fear is as baseless as the "international religion" fear.
It really makes no difference if the army is standing or on loan from project to project. You believe it does make a difference. We'll just have to disagree on that.

I ask you fair reader: Does it matter if the army is permanent or on loan as needed?




Why would the US fear an organization that is an extension of it's own will?

Damocles
04-25-2008, 09:18 AM
It really makes no difference if the army is standing or on loan from project to project. You believe it does make a difference. We'll just have to disagree on that, as will people reading this.

I ask you fair reader: Does it matter if the army is permanent or on loan as needed?




Why would the US fear an organization that is an extension of it's own will?
Because people here are paranoid that way. Just like we keep guns to make sure we can fight back if the government here gets overbearing.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 09:21 AM
Because people here are paranoid that way. Just like we keep guns to make sure we can fight back if the government here gets overbearing.

So it's a token show of respect for sovereignty to mislead the people. Thanks mason. You have served me well in illustrating the truth.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 09:22 AM
So it's a token show of respect for sovereignty to mislead the people. Thanks mason. You have served me well in illustrating the truth.
You are a maroon.

The truth is there is no UN Army. I served well in promoting that. Being a Mason has nothing to do with that.

Nor does the paranoid masons who formed our nation ensuring we have guns to fight the government if we need them.

I've always wondered why such a good thing could be created by Masons when they actually did have political power, and now when they don't anymore people think they are EEEeeevilll....

Pointing out that I am a Freemason only serves to show you lost the argument and had to resort to what you perceive as ad hominem.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 09:23 AM
Damo = Pwned.

I love fridays!

uscitizen
04-25-2008, 09:25 AM
Now that we have cleared the small fry AH, #6.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 09:25 AM
Damo = Pwned.

I love fridays!
The one who resorted to ad hominem rather than making a point was the person who tried to use "Freemason" as an insult.

Why do you always do that when you lose an argument? It is simply sad.

You also showed you had nothing for any of the other points I made, that you in fact feared to go there.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 09:28 AM
You are a maroon.

The truth is there is no UN Army.


But a more important truth is that it does have access to military force to assert it's agenda. On loan or not, it doesn't matter.



I served well in promoting that. Being a Mason has nothing to do with that.

Nor does the paranoid masons who formed our nation ensuring we have guns to fight the government if we need them.

But now we cannot have anything that could actually repel a government force. So what was once a level playing field has been tilted toward the supremacy of the state over it's citizens. Don't get too excited.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 09:28 AM
Personally I am proud to associate, in a small part, with the same group of people who gathered together and wrote and created the documents that made this nation what it is.

While Freemasonry is a pale ghost compared to what it was (thankfully, we can talk about how it grew into something that was too big for its britches and was taken down quite a few notches on another date), it is still a connection in a small way to some very good and strong men who created something fantastic.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 09:32 AM
Personally I am proud to associate, in a small part, with the same group of people who gathered together and wrote and created the documents that made this nation what it is.

While Freemasonry is a pale ghost compared to what it was (thankfully, we can talk about how it grew into something that was too big for its britches and was taken down quite a few notches on another date), it is still a connection in a small way to some very good and strong men who created something fantastic.


Some fags are proud too.

He's here, he's queer get used to it.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 09:34 AM
The one who resorted to ad hominem rather than making a point was the person who tried to use "Freemason" as an insult.

Why do you always do that when you lose an argument? It is simply sad.

You also showed you had nothing for any of the other points I made, that you in fact feared to go there.

You called me a maroon. That's more an insult than calling someone a mason, even though it's a bugs bunny insult.

Your 'point' was only a word game from the very beginning. Your participation in this thread was piss poor at best.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 09:35 AM
Some fags are proud too.

He's here, he's queer get used to it.
LOL. Some are. But really, I think they are people who, like Stewart Smalley, are trying to convince themselves.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 09:36 AM
You called me a maroon. That's more an insult than calling someone a mason, even though it's a bugs bunny insult.

Your 'point' was only a word game from the very beginning. Your participation in this thread was piss poor at best.
After your attempt at "Mason" ad hominem I answered a bit in kind, with one that is equally effective.

My point is that reality doesn't match up with your fear fantasy.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 09:42 AM
After your attempt at "Mason" ad hominem I answered a bit in kind, with one that is equally effective.

My point is that reality doesn't match up with your fear fantasy.


My point is that your point is just a word game attempting to obscure the reality that the UN does have access to and does use military power to achieve it's objectives.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 09:51 AM
My point is that your point is just a word game attempting to obscure the reality that the UN does have access to and does use military power to achieve it's objectives.
"Um, um... Your right, but, but, but... they use lent troops... so really... we should fear them..... "

LoL

At least you know I am right.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 09:52 AM
BTW - What the hayul does '23 Skiddoo' mean anyway?

Antiaris Toxicaria
04-25-2008, 09:53 AM
Some fags are proud too.



Like this one, you son of a b*tch.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 09:55 AM
Like this one, you son of a b*tch.
Interesting. What is there to be proud of? I'm not proud of my heterosexuality.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 09:56 AM
Like this one, you son of a b*tch.

LOL. AT is a trekkie gamer, pole-smoker with red pubes! LOL. Funny stuff. I do love fridays.

Antiaris Toxicaria
04-25-2008, 09:57 AM
Interesting. What is there to be proud of? I'm not proud of my heterosexuality.

Haha. Fair enough. What I mean is that I am not ashamed, and I have no reason to be. Being a bigot to win an argument is also sad, by the way (not directed at you).

Antiaris Toxicaria
04-25-2008, 09:58 AM
LOL. AT is a trekkie gamer, pole-smoker with red pubes! LOL. Funny stuff. I do love fridays.

AT is a casual gamer, pole-smoker with brownish pubes. Thanks for asking.

Damocles
04-25-2008, 10:01 AM
Haha. Fair enough. What I mean is that I am not ashamed, and I have no reason to be. Being a bigot to win an argument is also sad, by the way (not directed at you).
Definitely nothing to be ashamed of either.

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 10:04 AM
It's ok to be gay man. For the most part I find your kind above average in intelligence and generally quite funny. And fabulous.

Antiaris Toxicaria
04-25-2008, 10:06 AM
For the most part I find your kind .

A human?

Hermes Thoth
04-25-2008, 10:21 AM
A human?


A homosexual human. It's a kind of person. Do you understand adjectives?

Minister of Truth
04-28-2008, 07:18 PM
LOL how did this get from another AHZ, the world is about to be taken over by the capitalists/Jews/etc. to "dude, you iz queeeer!" :)

You nationalist-internationalists need to learn focus! Or you'll never even succeed at killing low-level operatives like me...

Hermes Thoth
04-29-2008, 05:27 AM
LOL how did this get from another AHZ, the world is about to be taken over by the capitalists/Jews/etc. to "dude, you iz queeeer!" :)

You nationalist-internationalists need to learn focus! Or you'll never even succeed at killing low-level operatives like me...

Damo can't keep his eyes off my package.

i'm focused like a lazer beam, dipshit.

Damocles
04-29-2008, 06:45 AM
Damo can't keep his eyes off my package.

i'm focused like a lazer beam, dipshit.
Damo doesn't stare at packages, it is AT that you are focused on... like a laser beam...

Minister of Truth
04-29-2008, 09:58 PM
Damo can't keep his eyes off my package.

i'm focused like a lazer beam, dipshit.

How can you listen to Medved and still be ignorant?

Hermes Thoth
04-30-2008, 09:36 AM
How can you listen to Medved and still be ignorant?

I listen to medvd to see how that zionist propagandist is spinning reality. He's A JudeoNazi terrorist.

Minister of Truth
04-30-2008, 06:40 PM
I listen to medvd to see how that zionist propagandist is spinning reality. He's A JudeoNazi terrorist.

You should call him up and own him with your facts.

uscitizen
04-30-2008, 06:42 PM
Medved ?

Damocles
04-30-2008, 06:42 PM
You should call him up and own him with your facts.
Tell us when you are going to call. We'll all tune in.

Hermes Thoth
05-01-2008, 12:17 AM
Tell us when you are going to call. We'll all tune in.


It's too easy. He argues like you damo, harping on semantics and bullshit.

Hermes Thoth
05-01-2008, 12:19 AM
That's M.e.d.v(as in va jay jay).e.d.

Minister of Truth
05-01-2008, 03:10 AM
That's M.e.d.v(as in va jay jay).e.d.

Why not just say the word, you vagina? And semantics have a purpose - to prevent people from distorting words/arguments, which is probably why you hate them...

Hermes Thoth
05-01-2008, 05:13 AM
Why not just say the word, you vagina? And semantics have a purpose - to prevent people from distorting words/arguments, which is probably why you hate them...

Oh, but you have it backwards, jew brainwashed mental midget. Medved uses semantics to obscure the truth.

Damocles
05-01-2008, 05:50 AM
It's too easy. He argues like you damo, harping on semantics and bullshit.
So he holds people to the meaning of their words and wins all the time? No wonder you are afraid.

Hermes Thoth
05-01-2008, 10:54 AM
So he holds people to the meaning of their words and wins all the time? No wonder you are afraid.


blah blah blah

Damocles
05-01-2008, 11:01 AM
blah blah blah
:hide: <-asshat, when he thinks of calling Medved...

Hermes Thoth
05-01-2008, 11:06 AM
:hide: <-asshat, when he thinks of calling Medved...

he just hangs up on people when he's losing. Or he shouts them down when they won't answer his idiotic tangential question. He's quite a transparent idiot. I don't fear idiots, I laugh at their idiocy.

Hermes Thoth
05-01-2008, 11:15 AM
Medved is an nwo tool

Minister of Truth
05-02-2008, 01:06 AM
And an NAU tool.

Hermes Thoth
05-02-2008, 05:31 AM
And an NAU tool.

Yep. He is. The North American Union is a part of the illuminati's path to the new world order. You can read Council of Foreign Relations white papers on the stategy called "Regionalization". But of course, according to Medved, "nobody wants that".

"Tell me one elected politician who says he wants a North American Union?!" -- This would be his idiotic question which if unanswered would be reason to end the call, in medved's hysterical denialistic idiotic peabrain.

FUCK THE POLICE
05-04-2008, 08:36 PM
Yep. He is. The North American Union is a part of the illuminati's path to the new world order. You can read Council of Foreign Relations white papers on the stategy called "Regionalization". But of course, according to Medved, "nobody wants that".

"Tell me one elected politician who says he wants a North American Union?!" -- This would be his idiotic question which if unanswered would be reason to end the call, in medved's hysterical denialistic idiotic peabrain.

FUCK SALT!

Minister of Truth
05-05-2008, 12:24 AM
FUCK SALT!

That's hard on the skin...

Hermes Thoth
05-05-2008, 05:57 AM
Yes. Pointlessness is the only response open to you. There is no rational rebuttal to my scathing penetration and expose(ay) of Medved's usual and demented modus operandi.

Dilloduck
05-05-2008, 06:58 AM
Yep. He is. The North American Union is a part of the illuminati's path to the new world order. You can read Council of Foreign Relations white papers on the stategy called "Regionalization". But of course, according to Medved, "nobody wants that".

"Tell me one elected politician who says he wants a North American Union?!" -- This would be his idiotic question which if unanswered would be reason to end the call, in medved's hysterical denialistic idiotic peabrain.

NAU and globalization have been two issues that have been taboo to even discuss in the primaries.

uscitizen
05-05-2008, 07:09 AM
who wants to get most of their campaign cash cut off ?

Minister of Truth
05-05-2008, 09:34 PM
Who wants to be an idiot and campaign on made-up issues. How about, McCain champions the Moon Landing conspiracy, Hillary champions the JFK assassination conspiracies and Obama champions the existence of the Lockness Monster conspiracy and we call it a primary season?

Dilloduck
05-05-2008, 09:59 PM
Who wants to be an idiot and campaign on made-up issues. How about, McCain champions the Moon Landing conspiracy, Hillary champions the JFK assassination conspiracies and Obama champions the existence of the Lockness Monster conspiracy and we call it a primary season?

Cool--we can save globalization for the general. !!:clink:

Minister of Truth
05-06-2008, 08:05 AM
Cool--we can save globalization for the general. !!:clink:

Yay, fascism! :cof1:

FUCK THE POLICE
05-06-2008, 12:05 PM
Yes. Pointlessness is the only response open to you. There is no rational rebuttal to my scathing penetration and expose(ay) of Medved's usual and demented modus operandi.

JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSS!>1?!!!!?!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!TAN45

Damocles
05-06-2008, 12:14 PM
JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSS!>1?!!!!?!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!TAN45
You misspell it 'cause you are scared...

/asshat

Hermes Thoth
05-06-2008, 05:04 PM
Who wants to be an idiot and campaign on made-up issues. How about, McCain champions the Moon Landing conspiracy, Hillary champions the JFK assassination conspiracies and Obama champions the existence of the Lockness Monster conspiracy and we call it a primary season?

So what are you saying, Douchey McSack? There's no such thing as globalization? That's pretty asinine considering it's the dominant meme of both political parties and the corporations that own them.

The free movement of people goods and capital, regardless of the impact on any particular group of people? It's what the pundits you worship prattle on about all damn day.

Hermes Thoth
05-06-2008, 05:06 PM
JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSS!>1?!!!!?!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!TAN45

Are you proud of being a brainwashed zionist retard?

Hermes Thoth
05-06-2008, 05:17 PM
Oh threedee, did you happen to listen to M.e.d.v.(as in vagina-face)e.d. today?

A woman called expressing concern that american students were not studying the hard sciences and consequently the good jobs were going to imported foreigners. Medved said the solution was to convince the new arrivals to become more committed and loyal americans. Basically he's happy to replace current americans with those from cultures more acclimated to hierarchical totalitarianism. Did you listen? You on the west coast may have to wait an hour or so.

Damocles
05-06-2008, 08:09 PM
Medved means "bear" in Russian.

Minister of Truth
05-06-2008, 09:25 PM
Oh threedee, did you happen to listen to M.e.d.v.(as in vagina-face)e.d. today?

A woman called expressing concern that american students were not studying the hard sciences and consequently the good jobs were going to imported foreigners. Medved said the solution was to convince the new arrivals to become more committed and loyal americans. Basically he's happy to replace current americans with those from cultures more acclimated to hierarchical totalitarianism. Did you listen? You on the west coast may have to wait an hour or so.

How's this? Dumbass homegrown Americans take the initiative to study the hard sciences so that they are qualified to take on these jobs. Then we wouldn't need smarter foreigners to do the job for us...

And you keep assuming that globalization is a bad thing...

uscitizen
05-06-2008, 09:37 PM
Foreigners whether smarter or not can afford to work for less money.

Hermes Thoth
05-07-2008, 04:19 AM
How's this? Dumbass homegrown Americans take the initiative to study the hard sciences so that they are qualified to take on these jobs. Then we wouldn't need smarter foreigners to do the job for us...

And you keep assuming that globalization is a bad thing...

That wasn't medved's solution. He didn't suggest improving our education system. He said we needed to get the foreigners to become more patriotic americans. He's for replacement. That's how it is.

And you keep saying globalization is a conspiracy theory.

uscitizen
05-07-2008, 01:01 PM
Globalization is a fact. Now thinking that the illumaniti are behind it all is a conspiracy theory.

Hermes Thoth
05-07-2008, 04:33 PM
Globalization is a fact. Now thinking that the illumaniti are behind it all is a conspiracy theory.

It's happening. But it's not an irreversible trend. SOMEONE's behind it. It's not happening by accident. We should reverse the trend. It's fascsit insanity which we're more than capable of reversing, and will soon.

uscitizen
05-07-2008, 05:03 PM
Generalized greed is the cause.

Hermes Thoth
05-07-2008, 08:12 PM
Generalized greed is the cause.

And a refusal to reverse directions when the consequences are foreseen.

uscitizen
05-07-2008, 08:18 PM
And a refusal to reverse directions when the consequences are foreseen.

Yep, but that might work out well for them. There is lots of money to be made in misery too.

Hermes Thoth
05-07-2008, 08:34 PM
Yep, but that might work out well for them. There is lots of money to be made in misery too.

Soon the people will assert their rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and throw off the yoke of an oppressive and totalitarian currency system.

uscitizen
05-07-2008, 08:42 PM
Soon the people will assert their rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and throw off the yoke of an oppressive and totalitarian currency system.

Not soon, suffering must happen first to make us men again.
We are just spoiled wussies now.

Minister of Truth
05-08-2008, 01:11 AM
Not everyone is a fascist, and therefore we don't all see globalization as a bad thing. Its a natural trend in the global economy, period. And its sad to see that Asshat hates immigrants - stupid nativist xenophobe...

Hermes Thoth
05-08-2008, 04:21 AM
Not everyone is a fascist, and therefore we don't all see globalization as a bad thing. Its a natural trend in the global economy, period. And its sad to see that Asshat hates immigrants - stupid nativist xenophobe...

Actually fascists love it the most, as it puts multinational corporations in the drivers seat. And as we see from your behavior above, the only argument mosts globalists have in the end is personal attack.

Citizens deserve the labor market protections of a functioning border and an immigration policy NOT designed with corporate needs in mind.

You stumbled upon the truth in the other thread, where you admitted a debt/consumerism based society is bad for individuals and bad for the country. So who then is it good for? Corporations. But because you're brainwashed you will have stumbled over the truth only to get up, dust yourself off, and pretend nothing happened. I pity your idiocy.

Hermes Thoth
05-08-2008, 04:27 AM
Not soon, suffering must happen first to make us men again.
We are just spoiled wussies now.

no. Soon.

FUCK THE POLICE
05-08-2008, 01:47 PM
Globalization is the result of technological improvements which have made the cost of transporation and communication closer and closer to being trivial.

Minister of Truth
05-08-2008, 02:47 PM
Actually fascists love it the most, as it puts multinational corporations in the drivers seat. And as we see from your behavior above, the only argument mosts globalists have in the end is personal attack.

Citizens deserve the labor market protections of a functioning border and an immigration policy NOT designed with corporate needs in mind.

You stumbled upon the truth in the other thread, where you admitted a debt/consumerism based society is bad for individuals and bad for the country. So who then is it good for? Corporations. But because you're brainwashed you will have stumbled over the truth only to get up, dust yourself off, and pretend nothing happened. I pity your idiocy.

When you lose your inalienable, God-given, Natural Right to property, then you have fascism, and that is exactly what attempts to interfere with free markets and free trade are all about.

Secondly, you liar, I said that individual (micro) debt is great for the economy, and national (macro) debt is bad for the economy. Not everyone who benefits from individual debt is connected to a corporation. Many are small business owners.

Hermes Thoth
05-08-2008, 04:10 PM
Globalization is the result of technological improvements which have made the cost of transporation and communication closer and closer to being trivial.


Nope. It's the result of asshole internationalists fascists who want to consolidate their power by subverting all national governments and making sure they serve multinational corporations instead of the people they're supposed to protect. Technological improvements have merely made it easier for them.

Hermes Thoth
05-08-2008, 04:12 PM
When you lose your inalienable, God-given, Natural Right to property, then you have fascism, and that is exactly what attempts to interfere with free markets and free trade are all about.

Secondly, you liar, I said that individual (micro) debt is great for the economy, and national (macro) debt is bad for the economy. Not everyone who benefits from individual debt is connected to a corporation. Many are small business owners.

There is private property under fascism, especially for ceo's.

No. You said it hurts indiviudals. You're actually the liar here.

I've pwned you multiple times.

Hermes Thoth
05-08-2008, 04:20 PM
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=258384&postcount=68
There is nothing "wrong," with buying junk. I can keep myself amused for hours with junk. And debt hurts individuals, it helps the hell out of the economy.


You said debt hurts individuals.

Minister of Truth
05-09-2008, 12:18 AM
You said debt hurts individuals.

And it DOES NOT MATTER ONE FRIGGIN BIT THAT DEBT HURTS INDIVIDUALS! FUCK THEM! FUCK THEM ALL! I admitted that debt hurts individuals, which is TOTALLY unimportant, you dhimmist, nationalist internationalist! On the micro level, debt is great for the economy, because one man's debt is several other men's profit. That is the point I was making, but you were too busy blowing you're dhimmist masters to catch on.

Hermes Thoth
05-09-2008, 04:18 AM
And it DOES NOT MATTER ONE FRIGGIN BIT THAT DEBT HURTS INDIVIDUALS! FUCK THEM! FUCK THEM ALL! I admitted that debt hurts individuals, which is TOTALLY unimportant, you dhimmist, nationalist internationalist! On the micro level, debt is great for the economy, because one man's debt is several other men's profit. That is the point I was making, but you were too busy blowing you're dhimmist masters to catch on.

You have it reversed, corporate profit is everyone else's debt. Using gdp as a measure of economic health is moronic. Your attitude above is why I call you internationalist fascists "assholes", instead of "enlightened", your prefered moniker.

Do you think Mcain, Hillary or Obama will be running on the "Fuck Individuals!" platform?

Minister of Truth
05-09-2008, 02:56 PM
They should be. Its enlightened. And obviously you are not an economist, otherwise you would not say something idiotic like "gdp is not a valid way of measuring the health of the economy." We need Topspin and his cleaver one-liners here, because you're concept of finance and economics has been weighed and found wanting....

Hermes Thoth
05-09-2008, 04:07 PM
They should be. Its enlightened. And obviously you are not an economist, otherwise you would not say something idiotic like "gdp is not a valid way of measuring the health of the economy." We need Topspin and his cleaver one-liners here, because you're concept of finance and economics has been weighed and found wanting....

It's not enlightened, it's corporations and banks making profit by putting other people into debt.

GDP is just the amount of goods and services being sold. Of course CORPORATIONS like that measure, because they only do the deal at a profit. if it's not profitable the deal doesn't happen. Individuals are going into debt to make the deals happen. Considering the staggering amount of consumer debt, I would say the economy is not healthy. Of course, fascists like you deny these obvious truths, and prefer the abstractions which gloss over these realities.

Consider yourself pwned.

Said1
05-09-2008, 06:21 PM
Anyway, back to he nwo thing - it's a go. perhaps not in the way it's being depicted, but make no mistake, the idea of supranationalist states (instituions) emerging out of what are now regional trading blocs will continue to happen. Who knows how far things will gooooooooooo.....IMHO, the shit will really hit the fan once every continent has formed and organized themselves.....Canada/US/Mexcio, South America, the EU, the African Union and so on.....

Hermes Thoth
05-09-2008, 06:24 PM
Anyway, back to he nwo thing - it's a go. perhaps not in the way it's being depicted, but make no mistake, the idea of supranationalist states (instituions) emerging out of what are now regional trading blocs will continue to happen. Who knows how far things will gooooooooooo.....IMHO, the shit will really hit the fan once every continent has formed and organized themselves.....Canada/US/Mexcio, South America, the EU, the African Union and so on.....

It will stop happening when people wise up and reject it. It's merely being PRESENTED as what will happen. It being inevitable is part of the brainwash.

Said1
05-09-2008, 06:28 PM
It will stop happening when people wise up and reject it. It's merely being PRESENTED as what will happen. It being inevitable is part of the brainwash.
Oh puuuulease. You even used all caps for emphasis. People never wise up in time. But keep the faith, man. And i mean that in a nice way.

Hermes Thoth
05-09-2008, 06:30 PM
Oh puuuulease. You even used all caps for emphasis. People never wise up in time. But keep the faith, man. And i mean that in a nice way.

People are inconsistent. They MAY suprise you. That's my 'take' on it.

Said1
05-09-2008, 06:40 PM
People are inconsistent. They MAY suprise you.


Really? I've never enountered that. I must know cooler people. Of course, that is NO surprise.




That's my 'take' on it.



:D

Minister of Truth
05-12-2008, 01:33 AM
Asshate say corporations must now sell goods and services at net loss. Threedee say Asshate is fucking nationalist internationalist fascist, and moronic dhimmist. It is not his right to infringe upon other's natural rights.

Consider yourself pwned, motherfuckineer!

FUCK THE POLICE
05-12-2008, 11:33 PM
Nope. It's the result of asshole internationalists fascists who want to consolidate their power by subverting all national governments and making sure they serve multinational corporations instead of the people they're supposed to protect.

Nope. It's the result of technological improvements which have made the cost of transporation and communication closer and closer to being trivial.

FUCK THE POLICE
05-12-2008, 11:35 PM
Why do you think nations exist Asshat?

It's because people went off in different directions, and stopped being able to communicate with each other, which gave them an excuse to kill each other for being different.

Hermes Thoth
05-13-2008, 02:21 AM
Why do you think nations exist Asshat?

It's because people went off in different directions, and stopped being able to communicate with each other, which gave them an excuse to kill each other for being different.

Nope. Internationalism is an excuse to kill people for being different. You're upside down, douchebag.


Legitimate states exist to protect people, not facilitate their destruction through instilling guilt and shame.

Minister of Truth
05-13-2008, 06:02 PM
You are both fuckers, but at least Watermark is just trolling, so he has an excuse... Asshate, you are such a tool for the globull dhimmist conspiracy to place everyone under oppressive Muslim taxation!!! Curse you and you're NAU! :nono:

Hermes Thoth
05-16-2008, 04:36 AM
You are both fuckers, but at least Watermark is just trolling, so he has an excuse... Asshate, you are such a tool for the globull dhimmist conspiracy to place everyone under oppressive Muslim taxation!!! Curse you and you're NAU! :nono:

Being ridiculous doesn't bolster your argument, Big Chief Nuts On Chin.

Minister of Truth
05-16-2008, 07:56 PM
Well, then, why don't you take you're own advise?

Hermes Thoth
05-16-2008, 08:21 PM
Well, then, why don't you take you're own advise?

i'm not being ridiculous. You yourself are an open brainwashed advocate of the matters of which I speak, a perfect example of the average brainwashed neocon, spouting the usual propaganda, unable to think critically, or get real.

Yes you can.

Beefy
05-17-2008, 12:53 AM
Once again, a shining example of asshat roundly kicking ass and how. Lets all give threedee a hand picking his teeth from out of the floor, the roof of his mouth, and asshat's boot.

Minister of Truth
05-17-2008, 12:53 AM
i'm not being ridiculous. You yourself are an open brainwashed advocate of the matters of which I speak, a perfect example of the average brainwashed neocon, spouting the usual propaganda, unable to think critically, or get real.

Yes you can.

What do you mean? Everyone in America has looked at GNP/GDP and "the economy" dating back to the time of the founding generation, and yet you call that "fascism." It proves that you are a disingenuous bastard. It is neither practical or necessary to look at "individual" accounts. You cannot run a national economy using microeconomic data. Trade, manufacturing, agriculture, etc. would fail if we did it your way. Unless you really want us to all live as paupers, but I think its just that you are an idiot internationalist nationalist.

Hermes Thoth
05-17-2008, 04:57 AM
What do you mean? Everyone in America has looked at GNP/GDP and "the economy" dating back to the time of the founding generation, and yet you call that "fascism." It proves that you are a disingenuous bastard. It is neither practical or necessary to look at "individual" accounts. You cannot run a national economy using microeconomic data. Trade, manufacturing, agriculture, etc. would fail if we did it your way. Unless you really want us to all live as paupers, but I think its just that you are an idiot internationalist nationalist.

Well if everyone ran off a cliff would you too?

When MOST people are neck deep in debt it's assinine to say the economy is good, unless of course, you only care about bankers and coroporations making money. It's fascist to ignore the precarious situations of most people and instead focus on relatively meaningless abstractions.

I'm an internationalist populist.

Minister of Truth
05-17-2008, 01:45 PM
No, you're just an idiot. And if everyone ran off the cliff, I would too, because there is either a wonderful spring at the bottom or the threat of being very lonely for the rest of my days at work there. And if bankers and industrialists can make for a better economy than some foolish individuals, so be it... They aren't going to produce anything and America will soon after find itself being destroyed.

Damocles
05-17-2008, 07:14 PM
Once again, a shining example of asshat roundly kicking ass and how. Lets all give threedee a hand picking his teeth from out of the floor, the roof of his mouth, and asshat's boot.
Do you write your hymns to AHZ spontaneously based solely on your emotions, or does it take a bit of thought first?

Hermes Thoth
05-18-2008, 11:16 AM
Do you write your hymns to AHZ spontaneously based solely on your emotions, or does it take a bit of thought first?

He's just willing to be honest. That's all it is.

Hermes Thoth
05-18-2008, 11:18 AM
No, you're just an idiot. And if everyone ran off the cliff, I would too, because there is either a wonderful spring at the bottom or the threat of being very lonely for the rest of my days at work there. And if bankers and industrialists can make for a better economy than some foolish individuals, so be it... They aren't going to produce anything and America will soon after find itself being destroyed.


SO. YOU would run off a cliff. You believe in fascism, and anyone who doesn't deserves to be destroyed. You're a stunning example of how totalitarian movements succeed. Congratulations. Seek help.

Damocles
05-18-2008, 02:41 PM
He's just willing to be honest. That's all it is.
You fall too easily for sarcasm.

Hermes Thoth
05-19-2008, 04:43 AM
You fall too easily for sarcasm.

You fantasize that true statements are sarcasm.

Minister of Truth
05-19-2008, 11:58 AM
SO. YOU would run off a cliff. You believe in fascism, and anyone who doesn't deserves to be destroyed. You're a stunning example of how totalitarian movements succeed. Congratulations. Seek help.

How does my exercizing free will constitute fascism? No one forced me to jump off of the cliff... Also, how does the exercize of free will with regard to globalization/enterprise/markets constitute fascism? You are the only one telling others what to do, making you the only fascist at the table. Go away and collect your Dhimmi taxes for Mecca...

Hermes Thoth
05-20-2008, 04:17 AM
How does my exercizing free will constitute fascism?


That's right, you have the right to be an idiotic sheeple. And its' your choice, as an individual, to abandon critical thought and just go with groupthink.



No one forced me to jump off of the cliff... Also, how does the exercize of free will with regard to globalization/enterprise/markets constitute fascism? You are the only one telling others what to do, making you the only fascist at the table. Go away and collect your Dhimmi taxes for Mecca...

I'm informing you of the bizareness of your standards for "good economy". You say yourself you choose gdp as an accurate measure simply because it's what others do. And you're right, as an individual you have a right to abandon critical thought and be a brainwashed fascist follower. More power to you.

Minister of Truth
05-20-2008, 11:42 AM
Why don't you go pursue a major in economics. I guarantee you fail, you because you have no understanding or appreciation for them whatsoever. You measure a healthy economy by its GDP, period. Fucking nazi.

Hermes Thoth
05-20-2008, 05:56 PM
Why don't you go pursue a major in economics. I guarantee you fail, you because you have no understanding or appreciation for them whatsoever. You measure a healthy economy by its GDP, period. Fucking nazi.

Many disagree. I personally feel the quality of an economy is measure by how most people fare in terms of their long term security and self determination. The massive personal debt accruing merely indicates a wreckless and irrational attitude amongs many. It's nothing to be encouraged and it certainly isn't a "good" thing. Your higher eduation only teaches you abstractions to use to dehumanize others and the requisite elitism and malignant self love you need to rejustify the horror of your ideas if you ever gain full realization of the horrors inside your own personality.

Minister of Truth
05-21-2008, 09:26 AM
Yes, I am an elitist, thankyou. The people are always going to be fairly stupid, and thus do things like accrue massive personal debt. Its not my problem, nor does your false outrage help anybody. It simply limits freedom.

Hermes Thoth
05-21-2008, 11:00 AM
Yes, I am an elitist, thankyou. The people are always going to be fairly stupid, and thus do things like accrue massive personal debt. Its not my problem, nor does your false outrage help anybody. It simply limits freedom.

So by "good economy" you mean one that puts people into debt but makes corporations more powerful. good for you. I don't accept your definition of "good economy". My outrage is not false. You have no soul.

Minister of Truth
05-21-2008, 02:13 PM
So by "good economy" you mean one that puts people into debt but makes corporations more powerful. good for you. I don't accept your definition of "good economy". My outrage is not false. You have no soul.

Yes, its a good economy. Knock off the soul thing, I've never heard you express any religious sentiment, so its just a word you are using to attack me. Your outrage is plenty false. The ideal in a free society is liberty, not equality. People are free to do with their property as they see fit. If that means investing it wisely, good; if that means wasting it, good. An economy with high GDP, low unemployment, a high stock index and low inflation rate is a strong economy. Right now the US economy is in bad shape due to high inflation, because there is too big an emphasis being made on trade at the expense of all other sectors, and because of the housing bubble. But since GDP is still doing well, we will likely get through this without a recession or rise in the unemployment rate.

Hermes Thoth
05-21-2008, 03:10 PM
Yes, its a good economy. Knock off the soul thing, I've never heard you express any religious sentiment, so its just a word you are using to attack me. Your outrage is plenty false. The ideal in a free society is liberty, not equality. People are free to do with their property as they see fit. If that means investing it wisely, good; if that means wasting it, good. An economy with high GDP, low unemployment, a high stock index and low inflation rate is a strong economy. Right now the US economy is in bad shape due to high inflation, because there is too big an emphasis being made on trade at the expense of all other sectors, and because of the housing bubble. But since GDP is still doing well, we will likely get through this without a recession or rise in the unemployment rate.

A good economy is one which raises most people up, not convinces them to spend into debt.

MORE Jobs is not the goal. They're all low paying.

GDP and Unemployment rate are used to conceal the truth.

Seek help, for your immorality, you fascist pig.

Beefy
05-23-2008, 02:47 AM
A good economy is one which raises most people up, not convinces them to spend into debt.

MORE Jobs is not the goal. They're all low paying.

GDP and Unemployment rate are used to conceal the truth.


QFT

You're outclassed threedee, by a lot.

Hermes Thoth
05-23-2008, 01:15 PM
Threedee will be the next Alex Jones. His personality is being refined in the fire of my blazing intellect.

Minister of Truth
05-23-2008, 02:49 PM
You're a dweeb Asshate. You used to come off strongly as a fascist, but now you are playing communist on me. You're like an older version of Watermark, who comes on an plays emo games with us, and then laughs at us when we take it too seriously. Either way, its all conspiratorial. The government of a free republic does NOT redistribute wealth, it does NOT stomp on people's property rights, and it does NOT handicap its strength by looking at microeconomics, when its concern should be GDP. At the same time, I think we have agreed about the dangers of corporate welfare and the Fed playing games with the currency (I might even agree with you about the gold standard vs. fiat currency). Free trader I am, but I support every other sector of the economy's right to exist as much as the trade sector, which is thriving while the dollar plummets and the price of gas goes European on us all.

Hermes Thoth
05-23-2008, 04:20 PM
You're a dweeb Asshate. You used to come off strongly as a fascist, but now you are playing communist on me. You're like an older version of Watermark, who comes on an plays emo games with us, and then laughs at us when we take it too seriously. Either way, its all conspiratorial. The government of a free republic does NOT redistribute wealth, it does NOT stomp on people's property rights, and it does NOT handicap its strength by looking at microeconomics, when its concern should be GDP. At the same time, I think we have agreed about the dangers of corporate welfare and the Fed playing games with the currency (I might even agree with you about the gold standard vs. fiat currency). Free trader I am, but I support every other sector of the economy's right to exist as much as the trade sector, which is thriving while the dollar plummets and the price of gas goes European on us all.

I'm a populist. Communists and fascists are both elitists. Your brainwash doesn't allow you to see that I'm actually wholly consistent. The government of our free republic is in bed with fascists, who together use the apparatus of government and the ability to create money to guarantee their own power forever, and to convince people that they're good and have everyone's interests at heart. They don't.

Hermes Thoth
05-23-2008, 05:10 PM
And UN "Peacekeepers" Exist.:)

Teeth all over, blood all over. I sit on carcasses munching organ meat and beating my chest. Look at me go.:cool:

Dilloduck
05-23-2008, 05:27 PM
And UN "Peacekeepers" Exist.:)

Teeth all over, blood all over. I sit on carcasses munching organ meat and beating my chest. Look at me go.:cool:

You're disappointing me. No quotes from Obama courting the jewish vote in Florida ?

Hermes Thoth
05-23-2008, 05:28 PM
You're disappointing me. No quotes from Obama courting the jewish vote in Florida ?

Poor little puppet on a string. I pity politicians.

Dilloduck
05-23-2008, 05:31 PM
Poor little puppet on a string. I pity politicians.

But it was real cool--it actually looked like it was him doing the talking !!

Hermes Thoth
05-23-2008, 05:32 PM
But it was real cool--it actually looked like it was him doing the talking !!

Maybe someday he'll get to be a real little boy!

Dilloduck
05-23-2008, 05:37 PM
Maybe someday he'll get to be a real little boy!

That nose keeps getting in his way.

Damocles
05-23-2008, 07:59 PM
And UN "Peacekeepers" Exist.:)

Teeth all over, blood all over. I sit on carcasses munching organ meat and beating my chest. Look at me go.:cool:
Wow, you just described a bloodworm. How fitting! :cool:

Hermes Thoth
05-23-2008, 08:55 PM
Wow, you just described a bloodworm. How fitting! :cool:

Is that like an earwig? How fitting.:rolleyes:

Minister of Truth
05-27-2008, 10:07 AM
I'm a populist.

Thanks for fucking up my country, then. We used to be a republic, but then the populists took over and made it a democracy. Then, after screwing up the country, you wandered into my political party and fucked that up as well...

Hermes Thoth
05-28-2008, 06:33 AM
Thanks for fucking up my country, then. We used to be a republic, but then the populists took over and made it a democracy. Then, after screwing up the country, you wandered into my political party and fucked that up as well...

Feels safe, fascist-o-crat, democracy has been subverted.

FUCK THE POLICE
05-29-2008, 12:01 AM
Feels safe, fascist-o-crat, democracy has been subverted.

Sorry my dicks not big enough for you. :(

Minister of Truth
05-29-2008, 02:20 PM
The republic was itself subverted by democracy, thanks to ideologues like Jefferson and Jackson. Populism sucks.

Hermes Thoth
05-29-2008, 08:31 PM
The republic was itself subverted by democracy, thanks to ideologues like Jefferson and Jackson. Populism sucks.

So you hate democracy and non-rich, non-fascists having a say. We knew that.

Hermes Thoth
05-29-2008, 08:32 PM
Sorry my dicks not big enough for you. :(

That's what your mom said.

FUCK THE POLICE
05-30-2008, 12:33 AM
One of the biggest problems with Threedee, and humanity in general, is that he considers himself smarter than everyone else. Whenever by his own definition he'd probably be the poster child of the "ignorant masses".

Hermes Thoth
05-30-2008, 04:28 PM
One of the biggest problems with Threedee, and humanity in general, is that he considers himself smarter than everyone else. Whenever by his own definition he'd probably be the poster child of the "ignorant masses".

I have no doubt that there is huge variation in human ability, and that some people are better at some skills than others, but that's not what ELITISM is. Elitism is feeling you have a right to victimize others because you may be better at something. It's tragic that we train the best and brightest amongst us to work for population reduction programs and insane totalitarian fiat currency systems.

You are your brothers keeper.

Dilloduck
05-30-2008, 08:44 PM
I have no doubt that there is huge variation in human ability, and that some people are better at some skills than others, but that's not what ELITISM is. Elitism is feeling you have a right to victimize others because you may be better at something. It's tragic that we train the best and brightest amongst us to work for population reduction programs and insane totalitarian fiat currency systems.

You are your brothers keeper.

I hate to admit it but controlling population may be the only way to help your brother.

Hermes Thoth
05-31-2008, 05:58 AM
I hate to admit it but controlling population may be the only way to help your brother.


Nope. It's not. We could farm more earth, stop paying farmers not to grow food. Etc. The best and brightest are focused on genocide, not helping humanity, that's the basic point. You too have fallen for the death = help meme.

FUCK THE POLICE
05-31-2008, 06:04 AM
Actually we pay farmers not to grow food as part of a soil erosion fighting program. Problem is with rising food prices, fewer and fewer farmers are willing to let their fields go fallow, and it's going to destroy the Earth they're working on.

Hermes Thoth
05-31-2008, 06:05 AM
Actually we pay farmers not to grow food as part of a soil erosion fighting program. Problem is with rising food prices, fewer and fewer farmers are willing to let their fields go fallow, and it's going to destroy the Earth they're working on.

No it's not. And anyway, fuck the earth, love humanity.

FUCK THE POLICE
05-31-2008, 06:10 AM
No it's not. And anyway, fuck the earth, love humanity.

Humanity cannot survive without the Earth. I love the Earth because I love humanity. Soil erosion is a massive problem and will only result in less land being farmable in the end. Look at the Sahara for a good example.

Hermes Thoth
05-31-2008, 06:16 AM
Humanity cannot survive without the Earth. I love the Earth because I love humanity. Soil erosion is a massive problem and will only result in less land being farmable in the end. Look at the Sahara for a good example.

I believe in basic environmental protection, but erosion is not a catastrophic occurrence. That dirt washes to somewhere else, and over time, a new plain will emerge somewhere. The mistake of envirowackos is assuming that any flux is bad.

Erosion is certainly not reason enough to starve people.

Hermes Thoth
05-31-2008, 06:17 AM
And technically we could survive without the earth. We will colonize other planets.

FUCK THE POLICE
05-31-2008, 06:20 AM
Where would we get the food to supply the other planets?

Even if we could cultivate another planet, the human population would plummet from 6 billion to 20 or so. And after that, the people who were on the planet probably wouldn't have the know how to keep it all together, and something would screw up, and they'd die.

Which is why we have to keep the goddamn soil together. YOu're the guy starving people. Yeah flux is bad - the sahara is bad. The soil floats into the ocean and may come back up in 50 million years or so. Who knows.

Cancel11
05-31-2008, 12:11 PM
We could colonize the moon rather easily. Mars would be a bigger challenge, due to the 7+ month trip required to get there, but is also feasible.

Minister of Truth
05-31-2008, 12:45 PM
One of the biggest problems with Threedee, and humanity in general, is that he considers himself smarter than everyone else. Whenever by his own definition he'd probably be the poster child of the "ignorant masses".

Naw, I just consider humanity to be stupid. I haven't really placed myself in the enlightened category. I'm just self-aware, and I actually consider myself to be unintelligent, though perhaps more wise than some... I am an elitist, but I am not an elite - go figure.

Oh, and Asshate, you're absolutely right. I think that if you don't have money, then you should just go dig a grave and shoot yourself. :pke:

Hermes Thoth
05-31-2008, 03:00 PM
Naw, I just consider humanity to be stupid. I haven't really placed myself in the enlightened category. I'm just self-aware, and I actually consider myself to be unintelligent, though perhaps more wise than some... I am an elitist, but I am not an elite - go figure.

Oh, and Asshate, you're absolutely right. I think that if you don't have money, then you should just go dig a grave and shoot yourself. :pke:

At least you own your character defects. Empowering isn't it? Oprah would be proud.

Minister of Truth
05-31-2008, 03:58 PM
At least you own your character defects. Empowering isn't it? Oprah would be proud.

Yeah, maybe she'll give me an expensive gift. :cof1:

Hermes Thoth
05-31-2008, 04:00 PM
Yeah, maybe she'll give me an expensive gift. :cof1:


Stedman's used thong collection....:)

Minister of Truth
05-31-2008, 04:24 PM
Stedman's used thong collection....:)

Yeah, I could use a pair of thongs for the next time I'm at the beach. It beats aquasox or going barefoot...