It is Veterans Day

Damocles

Damocles

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Each year on November 11th we take time to thank the Veterans that have protected our freedoms, and defended the Constitution of These United States. Each veteran has sworn to uphold and defend the US Constitution, however the oath of the Enlisted man includes an oath to follow orders of the President and those officers appointed above him. Below I will list the oath of each:

An officer:
I, Damocles (State your full name), having been appointed an officer in the Navy (Military Branch) of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of Ensign (rank of appointment) do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.

Enlisted:
I, Damocles (state your full name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Each of us swore (or affirmed) to defend the Constitution above all. Some also swore to follow orders.

To each of these I give my thanks and still call you brothers or sisters. Nobody realizes that when you do enter a battle you do not fight for a concept so strange as The Constitution... we join because of such abstracts but we serve, and face our fears, in order to support our brothers and sisters with whom we fight.
 
I feel sorry for all the wounded, maimed, killed and psychologically damaged vets who suffered due to LIES (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) and incompetence by gov't "leadership". Then they come home to have their benefits screwed with by the very people who sent them to those respective hells.

People willing to put their lives on the line for their country should not be screwed with.
 
Taichiliberal said:
I feel sorry for all the wounded, maimed, killed and psychologically damaged vets who suffered due to LIES (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) and incompetence by gov't "leadership". Then they come home to have their benefits screwed with by the very people who sent them to those respective hells.

People willing to put their lives on the line for their country should not be screwed with.
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Lies and counter productive Empire projects....in the service of the bankers.

But the American/British Empire is in collapse now.....if Humanity survives it there will be much more peace in the future.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am right a high percentage of the time.....that's what the education was for.

Listen or dont.....your education is not my problem.
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:rolleyes: How many times do I have to school you on this one simple fact of life: YOUR OPINIONS, SUPPOSTITIONS AND CONJECTURE ARE NO SUBSTITUTES FOR FACTS AND THE LOGIC DERIVED FROM SAID FACTS. If you cannot support your statement/assertions/insinuations with valid, documented, fact based sources, then you are just full of hot air.

Got that, gumby?
 
Taichiliberal said:
:rolleyes: How many times do I have to school you on this one simple fact of life: YOUR OPINIONS, SUPPOSTITIONS AND CONJECTURE ARE NO SUBSTITUTES FOR FACTS AND THE LOGIC DERIVED FROM SAID FACTS. If you cannot support your statement/assertions/insinuations with valid, documented, fact based sources, then you are just full of hot air.

Got that, gumby?
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Like that has theory of operation has worked out so well for the West.

Its time for you to get better.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1988236363913683347
View: https://x.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1988236363913683347
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Glenn Eric Andre Diesen (born 1979) is a Norwegian political scientist, political commentator and politician currently serving as a professor at the Department of Business, History and Social Sciences, University of South-Eastern Norway. He has been a regular commentator on the Russian state-controlled international television network RT for several years, and has been accused of promoting Russian propaganda. He is active in the pro-Russian party Fred og Rettferdighet.

www.reddit.com/r/norske/comments/1k8xbns/glenn_diesen_er_en_forræder_og_en_skam_for_norge/?tl=en
 
Taichiliberal said:
Glenn Eric Andre Diesen (born 1979) is a Norwegian political scientist, political commentator and politician currently serving as a professor at the Department of Business, History and Social Sciences, University of South-Eastern Norway. He has been a regular commentator on the Russian state-controlled international television network RT for several years, and has been accused of promoting Russian propaganda. He is active in the pro-Russian party Fred og Rettferdighet.

www.reddit.com/r/norske/comments/1k8xbns/glenn_diesen_er_en_forræder_og_en_skam_for_norge/?tl=en
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Lots of people are talking about Empire....your claim to know nothing about it is almost certainly a lie.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Like that has theory of operation has worked out so well for the West.

Its time for you to get better.
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WTF are you babbling about? I am specifically talking about YOU and your penchant to run your mouth as if it's all facts and not just your personal speculations and such. To date, you mostly babble on without being able to factually prove what you profess.

You keep going on about "the West". Where do you come from or currently reside?

And keep in mind that you got your panties in a bunch because I pointed out how you parrot rhetoric similar to that of the late Lyndon LaRouche (another wealthy idealist with delusions of authority).
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Lots of people are talking about Empire....your claim to know nothing about it is almost certainly a lie.
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Translation: Hawk presented the "source" of his assertions, and I provided fact based context and real discussions about his hero that he didn't like. So Hawk just ignores what he can't debunk and blows repetitive smoke. He's done.
 
Damocles said:
Each year on November 11th we take time to thank the Veterans that have protected our freedoms, and defended the Constitution of These United States. Each veteran has sworn to uphold and defend the US Constitution, however the oath of the Enlisted man includes an oath to follow orders of the President and those officers appointed above him. Below I will list the oath of each:

An officer:
I, Damocles (State your full name), having been appointed an officer in the Navy (Military Branch) of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of Ensign (rank of appointment) do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.

Enlisted:
I, Damocles (state your full name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Each of us swore (or affirmed) to defend the Constitution above all. Some also swore to follow orders.

To each of these I give my thanks and still call you brothers or sisters. Nobody realizes that when you do enter a battle you do not fight for a concept so strange as The Constitution... we join because of such abstracts but we serve, and face our fears, in order to support our brothers and sisters with whom we fight.
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Agreed on the difference in the oaths, but the stipulation of obeying orders has the caveat of lawful orders.
 
Taichiliberal said:
I feel sorry for all the wounded, maimed, killed and psychologically damaged vets who suffered due to LIES (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) and incompetence by gov't "leadership". Then they come home to have their benefits screwed with by the very people who sent them to those respective hells.

People willing to put their lives on the line for their country should not be screwed with.
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Yep did you know NOT all vets can go to the VA hospital?
If a vet had or has a real good job and has a good retirement and makes over $55,000 a year they can not get healthcare there.
Only way they can get help there is they have to show ( prove ) what ever they want to go there for is service related.
And IMO that really SUCKS.
Especially if they are WAR vets that put their lives on the line in time of war.
YEP some vets put their time in and are war vets and are IMO getting fucked by the Government of the country they love and defended.
 
Tbird19482 said:
Yep did you know NOT all vets can go to the VA hospital? If a vet had or has a real good job and has a good retirement and makes over $55,000 a year they can not get healthcare there. Only way they can get help there is they have to show ( prove ) what ever they want to go there for is service related. And IMO that really SUCKS.
Especially if they are WAR vets that put their lives on the line in time of war. YEP some vets put their time in and are war vets and are IMO getting fucked by the Government of the country they love and defended.
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Partially true, but incomplete and somewhat misleading in its details—it's a common misconception about VA health care eligibility.

Not all veterans can access comprehensive VA health care (e.g., at a VA hospital or clinic) for any reason, but the barriers aren't as rigid as described.

Let me break it down clearly based on current VA rules

First, all veterans must meet a baseline service requirement to even apply for VA health care: honorable discharge (or similar) after active-duty service, with at least 24 continuous months if you enlisted after September 7, 1980 (or the full period called to active duty).

This applies regardless of income or job status. Once eligible, the VA assigns you to one of 8 "priority groups" that determine your access, wait times, and costs (like copays). Higher groups (1-3) get priority for all care; lower ones (7-8) may face limits or higher costs.

It's not a hard $55,000 cutoff
  • Income does affect eligibility, but it's not a blanket "$55,000 per year" rule for everyone. The VA uses "means testing" based on your household gross income (yours + spouse/dependents) from the prior year, minus certain deductions like unreimbursed medical expenses or education costs. Limits are updated annually and vary by location (using geographic means test, or GMT, thresholds) and family size—typically around the federal poverty level plus adjustments, not $55,000.
  • For 2025, national thresholds start around $16,000-$28,000 for a single veteran (depending on dependents), but can be higher in high-cost areas (e.g., up to $40,000+ in places like California). There's a "relaxation" rule: If your income is just 10% over the limit, you can still enroll in Priority Group 8 with copays.
  • If your income exceeds these limits and you lack other qualifying factors (like a service-connected disability), you may be placed in Priority Group 8. However, new enrollments in Group 8 for high-income veterans without service-connected issues have been restricted since 2003 due to capacity limits—existing enrollees can stay, but others might be denied full access.
In short: A veteran with a "good job" and retirement income over ~$55,000 (or the actual threshold) won't automatically be barred, but they could face denial for non-service-connected care if they're not already enrolled or don't qualify for a higher group. Many still get in via other paths.

CaIl 877-222-8387—they'll verify the above.
 
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