If the Majority in Congress are against the Health Care Bill...

[Jarod]

If the Majority in Congress are against the Health Care Bill....

What do you guys who dont like it have to worry about?

It will never pass.

Now if you are trying to prevent a bill, supported by a majority in Congress, to not get passed, if you are trying to circumvent majority rule..

Well then, you might have something to worry about because that aint going to happen. If the Majority vote with the intent of passing the Health Care bill... It will become LAW...

The Majority of Congress, duely elected by the people of the United States should have the authority to pass bills that dont require a supermajority as described by the Constitution.!

[Damocles]

Circular logic.

What they are trying to stop is their representatives from ignoring their constituencies and allowing themselves to be bought off and pass legislation that isn't supported by the majority of citizens.

[Dixie]

What is historic is this... by Constitutional provision, the House of Representatives must approve the Senate version of Health Care Reform. The Senate Bill, because of Scott Brown, would not even pass in the Senate today. Through usage of a rare procedural rule, the Speaker will attempt to have the Senate bill "deemed" into law... So, for the FIRST time in American history, a bill which couldn't pass the House or Senate, may be sent to the President's desk and signed into law! It is unprecedented!

[SmarterThanYou]

Originally Posted by Jarod

duely

for gods sake would you spell 'duly' correct for once?

[Jarod]

Originally Posted by Damocles

Circular logic.

What they are trying to stop is their representatives from ignoring their constituencies and allowing themselves to be bought off and pass legislation that isn't supported by the majority of citizens.

THats a valid argument... I am talking about those who are calling the method unconstitutional.

[Jarod]

Originally Posted by Dixie

What is historic is this... by Constitutional provision, the House of Representatives must approve the Senate version of Health Care Reform. The Senate Bill, because of Scott Brown, would not even pass in the Senate today. Through usage of a rare procedural rule, the Speaker will attempt to have the Senate bill "deemed" into law... So, for the FIRST time in American history, a bill which couldn't pass the House or Senate, may be sent to the President's desk and signed into law! It is unprecedented!

But for the fillabuster rule it would... This is the point, deem and pass is, in my opinion, in the same catagory of tricks as the fillabuster.

[PostmodernProphet]

is 216 a supermajority?......

[Jarod]

Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet

is 216 a supermajority?......

No, and a supermajority is not constitutionally required for this bill.

[PostmodernProphet]

since you already knew that, why did you start this thread?.....

[PostmodernProphet]

Originally Posted by Jarod

THats a valid argument... I am talking about those who are calling the method unconstitutional.

what they are calling unconstitutional is the suggestion that instead of having a majority vote on the bill they simply vote on whether they can pretend they had a majority vote on the bill.......now even you have to admit that's a pretty silly way to go about it, neh?......

[Dixie]

Jarhead... think about this a moment...

NEVER before in the history of Congress, has ANY legislation of social impact such as this, EVER been passed into law with NO bipartisan support. Now think about that... in ALL the years of our country, not ONE TIME have we passed sweeping reform legislation of this magnitude, with ZERO support from the other side. Even Medicare and Medicaid had SOME bipartisan support... and incidentally, also had more than 2/3 support by Congress to bring them to cloture.

Because of Scott Brown, the current Senate bill being considered by the House, would not be able to pass the Senate today.... With the invoking of the Slaughter Rule, a House vote will not take place... and for the very FIRST time in American history, a bill that couldn't pass the House or Senate, will be sent to the President's desk and signed into law!

[Jarod]

Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet

what they are calling unconstitutional is the suggestion that instead of having a majority vote on the bill they simply vote on whether they can pretend they had a majority vote on the bill.......now even you have to admit that's a pretty silly way to go about it, neh?......

The point is that everyone in Congress knows that a yes vote is for the bill... You are playing semantics, that were forced on Congress by a Republican filibuster... to prevent a stright majority rules vote!

[PostmodernProphet]

Originally Posted by Jarod

The point is that everyone in Congress knows that a yes vote is for the bill...

so tell me....if everyone knows anyway, why attempt something that may be unconstitutional?.......

[Yurt]

Originally Posted by Damocles

Circular logic.

What they are trying to stop is their representatives from ignoring their constituencies and allowing themselves to be bought off and pass legislation that isn't supported by the majority of citizens.

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