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Thumbs down Yay Socialism! Caracas now most violent capital in the western hemisphere
This makes me think of all those lefties who have debated me over the years swearing up and down that inequality is why crime happens.
Yet here you have Chavez with massive socialism that was meant to make more equality, ease social tensions, etc... and instead the crime rate explodes, quadrupuling under him and he STILL blames inequality!

Really leftwing policies make people feel justified in committing crime because they are told they deserve more and live under policies of the government robbing people so they see it more as ok. And of course leftwingers encourage a culture that is hostile to people being responsible for their own actions and let's not forget they put in power judges who are too soft on crime.

"Venezuela murder-rate quadrupled under Chavez -NGO 11 Mar 2010 17:49:08 GMT
Source: Reuters
* Caracas most violent capital in Western Hemisphere
* Chavez's popularity affected by crime wave

CARACAS, March 11 (Reuters) - Homicides in Venezuela have quadrupled during President Hugo Chavez's 11 years in power, with two people murdered every hour, according to new figures from a non-governmental organization.

The Venezuelan Observatory of Violence (OVV), whose data is widely followed in the absence of official statistics, said the South American nation has one of the highest crime rates on the continent, with 54 homicides per 100,000 citizens in 2009.

That rate is only surpassed in Latin America by El Salvador where 70 in every 100,000 citizens were murdered last year, the OVV said, citing official statistics from that country.

Crime repeatedly comes first on Venezuelans' list of worries. It has also begun to drag on Chavez's traditionally high approval ratings as well as scare tourists who come to Venezuela.

"The problem is not so much the criminals, but rather the government's inaction and lack of policies," OVV director Roberto Briceno Leon told Reuters.

Chavez says he is doing his best to combat crime, which he blames on wealth inequalities caused by former governments.

He accuses foes of exaggerating the problem to foment fear, and has recently hiked pay for police officers, as well as launching a new national force.

The Interior Ministry, which last gave official crime statistics in 2004, declined comment on the OVV's new figures.

Briceno, a criminology professor at the Central University of Venezuela and at the Sorbonne in Paris, blamed a weak judicial system and ineffective and corrupt policing in Venezuela, where he said 91 percent of crimes go unsolved.

He collates his figures from police sources and media reports. When Chavez came to power in 1999 there were 4,550 homicides whereas in 2009 there were 16,047, the OVV said.

That means Venezuela experiences every month about as many deaths as occurred in the Gaza Strip during Israel's early 2009 offensive, Briceno said.

With a murder rate of 140 per 100,000 citizens, Venezuela's capital Caracas has the highest murder rate in South America, only exceeded in the hemisphere by Mexico's Ciudad Juarez.

Most of the deaths occur in crowded slums, but crime impinges on all sectors. In richer residential areas at night, cars shoot through red lights on often deserted streets and few people are willing to risk walking outside. (Reporting by Eyanir Chinea; Writing by Charlie Devereux; Editing by Andrew Cawthorne) "
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The bold part does not support your thesis. The problem is a corrupt criminal justice system. It is not from being soft on crime or due to some cultural changes in the people. Though, it may be due to a cultural change in the government.
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I was unaware that the crime rate was a direct measure of the success of an economic system.

So, based on this presumption, are we to conclude that the western european liberal social democracies are superior to the United States?

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I was unaware that the crime rate was a direct measure of the success of an economic system.

So, based on this presumption, are we to conclude that the western european liberal social democracies are superior to the United States?
Take the cities that are controlled by DEMOCRATS out of that equation and the results would be quite different....
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Take the cities that are controlled by DEMOCRATS out of that equation and the results would be quite different....
Take the southern US out of the equation and the results would be staggeringly different.
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Take the cities that are controlled by DEMOCRATS out of that equation and the results would be quite different....
Now, stop worshipping at your shrine to Bush and think, dude....think.

What you said makes no sense. You just tossed this stupid statement out there, while you were praying at the Bush shrine.

If you removed the major cities in europe from the crime rate, and the major cities in venezuela from the crime rate, the drop in homicide would likely be proportional to the drop in crime for the United States if we applied your retarded logic.
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Now, stop worshipping at your shrine to Bush and think, dude....think.

What you said makes no sense. You just tossed this stupid statement out there, while you were praying at the Bush shrine.

If you removed the major cities in europe from the crime rate, and the major cities in venezuela from the crime rate, the drop in homicide would likely be proportional to the drop in crime for the United States if we applied your retarded logic.
Bush shrine- WTF? Prove either assertion.
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