Arnold "Claims" 150,000 Stimulus Jobs Created in Cali

[cawacko]

Now this is from the San Diego Union Tribune editorial board so take that for what it is worth. But it is pretty funny (or sad) how when called out to show evidence of these "jobs" created he then switches his rhetoric to jobs saved and how although promised in the private sector they are mostly government jobs. Way to go Arnold.


150,000 jobs created? Uh, no / Trek through stimulus maze shows governor’s claim was wrong

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s assertion on Feb. 21 that the $787 billion federal stimulus bill had created 150,000 jobs in California prompted these straightforward inquiries to his aides:

Could you send a list of the jobs created?

Could you break down how many were in the public sector and how many were in the private sector? (President Barack Obama had promised that 90 percent of the jobs created by the stimulus bill would be in the private sector.)

The immediate answer to both questions was OK, but it will take a few days. A few days later, two Excel spreadsheet files were provided that appeared to show Schwarzenegger was correct.

In the meantime, however, the governor changed his language, saying the stimulus had “saved” or created 150,000 jobs – a huge distinction.

We still don’t have an estimate from the governor’s office on the public sector vs. private sector breakdown, but the information we were provided indicates the jobs are overwhelmingly in the former category. This information as well as a further look at the official recovery.gov Web site further suggests the overwhelming number of California jobs affected by the stimulus were “saved” public-sector positions.

So much for the governor’s initial claim. So much for the president’s promise.

Meanwhile, our visit to recovery.gov only added to this editorial page’s skepticism about the stimulus and the wisdom of its design. For example, a check of National City’s ZIP code reveals the Bay Vista College of Beauty got 67 federal stimulus grants totaling more than $300,000. But 25 of the grants were for $0 or for a negative sum – in stimulus speak, “deobligated” sums returned to the government. It appears access to stimulus funding is so unfettered that it is the equivalent of a checking account, with regular deposits and withdrawals.

Then there is the further peculiarity that in every corner of California, hundreds of grants are going to beauty, cosmetology and barber schools – apparently because they have figured out how to qualify for stimulus funding more quickly than other types of trade schools.

This is not a quirk or minor point. It gets to the central folly of using massive government spending as the primary means of reviving an economy – the inescapable inefficiency of throwing money at a problem.

In the private sector, jobs are created based on market forces, supply and demand, the public’s appetite for particular products and services. Under the stimulus program, jobs are often created based on how well trade schools can figure out the rules that turn the U.S. Treasury into their personal piggy banks. And this costly scheme is entirely paid for with borrowed money.

How Obama, Schwarzenegger or anyone with a conscience could tout the glories of this approach is hard to fathom. But at least the massive looming surplus of hair stylists in California will keep the cost of haircuts in check.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...created-uh-no/

[Damn Yankee]

How many were lost?

[Damocles]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

How many were lost?

We're supposed to suddenly not notice those and only focus on the "saved or created" number. Losses probably were well over twice what they "saved or created"...

Has Arnold turned into a pipeline for Obama talking points?

[Damn Yankee]

Originally Posted by Damocles

We're supposed to suddenly not notice those and only focus on the "saved or created" number. Losses probably were well over twice what they "saved or created"...

Has Arnold turned into a pipeline for Obama talking points?

I think Ahnahld is expecting Califorinacans to buy the same load of bullshit that they supported during the Presidential erection.

[cawacko]

Originally Posted by Damocles

We're supposed to suddenly not notice those and only focus on the "saved or created" number. Losses probably were well over twice what they "saved or created"...

Has Arnold turned into a pipeline for Obama talking points?

Welcome to the 'post-partisan' world.

[usaloyal2theend]

Originally Posted by cawacko

Now this is from the San Diego Union Tribune editorial board so take that for what it is worth. But it is pretty funny (or sad) how when called out to show evidence of these "jobs" created he then switches his rhetoric to jobs saved and how although promised in the private sector they are mostly government jobs. Way to go Arnold.


150,000 jobs created? Uh, no / Trek through stimulus maze shows governor’s claim was wrong

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s assertion on Feb. 21 that the $787 billion federal stimulus bill had created 150,000 jobs in California prompted these straightforward inquiries to his aides:

Could you send a list of the jobs created?

Could you break down how many were in the public sector and how many were in the private sector? (President Barack Obama had promised that 90 percent of the jobs created by the stimulus bill would be in the private sector.)

The immediate answer to both questions was OK, but it will take a few days. A few days later, two Excel spreadsheet files were provided that appeared to show Schwarzenegger was correct.

In the meantime, however, the governor changed his language, saying the stimulus had “saved” or created 150,000 jobs – a huge distinction.

We still don’t have an estimate from the governor’s office on the public sector vs. private sector breakdown, but the information we were provided indicates the jobs are overwhelmingly in the former category. This information as well as a further look at the official recovery.gov Web site further suggests the overwhelming number of California jobs affected by the stimulus were “saved” public-sector positions.

So much for the governor’s initial claim. So much for the president’s promise.

Meanwhile, our visit to recovery.gov only added to this editorial page’s skepticism about the stimulus and the wisdom of its design. For example, a check of National City’s ZIP code reveals the Bay Vista College of Beauty got 67 federal stimulus grants totaling more than $300,000. But 25 of the grants were for $0 or for a negative sum – in stimulus speak, “deobligated” sums returned to the government. It appears access to stimulus funding is so unfettered that it is the equivalent of a checking account, with regular deposits and withdrawals.

Then there is the further peculiarity that in every corner of California, hundreds of grants are going to beauty, cosmetology and barber schools – apparently because they have figured out how to qualify for stimulus funding more quickly than other types of trade schools.

This is not a quirk or minor point. It gets to the central folly of using massive government spending as the primary means of reviving an economy – the inescapable inefficiency of throwing money at a problem.

In the private sector, jobs are created based on market forces, supply and demand, the public’s appetite for particular products and services. Under the stimulus program, jobs are often created based on how well trade schools can figure out the rules that turn the U.S. Treasury into their personal piggy banks. And this costly scheme is entirely paid for with borrowed money.

How Obama, Schwarzenegger or anyone with a conscience could tout the glories of this approach is hard to fathom. But at least the massive looming surplus of hair stylists in California will keep the cost of haircuts in check.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...created-uh-no/

Uhhh... You might want to let the 10+ friends of mine who have been out of job for over a year know.

Tell Arnie his commercial he does with Maria for California where he asks the public "When can you start?" is not creating jobs...

Doofus!

[MakeMeASandwichBitch]

Originally Posted by Damocles

We're supposed to suddenly not notice those and only focus on the "saved or created" number. Losses probably were well over twice what they "saved or created"...

Has Arnold turned into a pipeline for Obama talking points?

Yes, damo, since only a trivial 150k jobs were saved and created, and this wasn't enough to be arbitrarily larger than the lost number, we should have saved no jobs.

The Alice in Wonderland logic of right-wingers.

[Damocles]

Originally Posted by Bittermark

Yes, damo, since only a trivial 150k jobs were saved and created, and this wasn't enough to be arbitrarily larger than the lost number, we should have saved no jobs.

The Alice in Wonderland logic of right-wingers.

Again, the "saved" is just a guess, there is just no way to tell that. I can say I saved 1 Million Jobs! You can't tell me I haven't, you have no evidence that my plan of saying so didn't "save" those jobs.

I still can't believe that people who said Bush's rate at 6% was the "worst economy since the great depression" long before there was a recession are now saying that some guess at jobs "savings" is the only way we should measure success.

[Damocles]

It's like saying that the "feed the people" campaign is working because we fed 12 people while ignoring the 7 Million that died of starvation at the same time.

You want us to only think about the 12 who ate, not the 7 million who starved.

[TuTu Monroe]

Arnold has been a big disappointment to me. I see where Jerry Brown wants the job.

Originally Posted by Damocles

It's like saying that the "feed the people" campaign is working because we fed 12 people while ignoring the 7 Million that died of starvation at the same time.

You want us to only think about the 12 who ate, not the 7 million who starved.

[usaloyal2theend]

Originally Posted by TuTu Monroe

Arnold has been a big disappointment to me. I see where Jerry Brown wants the job.

Jerry Brown again would be a catastrophe. I am swaying towards Meg Whitman.

[Damn Yankee]

Originally Posted by usaloyal2theend

Uhhh... You might want to let the 10+ friends of mine who have been out of job for over a year know.

Tell Arnie his commercial he does with Maria for California where he asks the public "When can you start?" is not creating jobs...

Doofus!

I can't help but noticing that all the Californicans depicted in that commercial aren't working. They're either skateboarding, hanging at the beach, or sitting on their asses waiting for service.

[MakeMeASandwichBitch]

Originally Posted by Damocles

It's like saying that the "feed the people" campaign is working because we fed 12 people while ignoring the 7 Million that died of starvation at the same time.

You want us to only think about the 12 who ate, not the 7 million who starved.

And so the answer is that we should've let them all starve.

Good job.

We probably could've done more if we hadn't of had to deal with unanimous conservative opposition. Republicans just refuse to work in good faith with the Democrats on any issue.

[Damocles]

Originally Posted by Bittermark

And so the answer is that we should've let them all starve.

Good job.

We probably could've done more if we hadn't of had to deal with unanimous conservative opposition. Republicans just refuse to work in good faith with the Democrats on any issue.

No, the answer is to judge success by feeding more and not saying that you "saved" threeve million dinner plates and fed 12 while others starve. It is not a success.

The logic of the left is when something isn't working only look at the numbers you like rather than fix what isn't working, then throw more money at it in the hopes it will catch on.

The 12 who ate were not significant when it was overcome by so many more people who "lost" in that equation.

This is why I say that the 15 Billion spent on the jobs program that uses tax incentive will far outpace job growth from the previous stimulus. They finally caught on that we need the private sector to hire people to get out of this mess.

[cawacko]

Originally Posted by Damocles

No, the answer is to judge success by feeding more and not saying that you "saved" threeve million dinner plates and fed 12 while others starve. It is not a success.

The logic of the left is when something isn't working only look at the numbers you like rather than fix what isn't working, then throw more money at it in the hopes it will catch on.

The 12 who ate were not significant when it was overcome by so many more people who "lost" in that equation.

This is why I say that the 15 Billion spent on the jobs program that uses tax incentive will far outpace job growth from the previous stimulus. They finally caught on that we need the private sector to hire people to get out of this mess.

While I agree with you on the need for private sector job growth let me play devils advocate on some of the tax incentives. From what I've read many of these tax incentives aren't enough to make a company actually hire someone. What they will turn out to be is a benefit to companies that were going to hire someone anyway which is not their purpose.

A $3K tax credit to hire someone who makes $30K for a year isn't a benefit to a company if they don't have the need for that employee.