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Old 02-23-2010, 07:51 AM
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Exasperated House Democratic leaders have compiled a list showing that they have passed 290 bills that have stalled in the Senate.

The list is the latest sign that Democrats in the lower chamber are frustrated with their Senate counterparts.

An aide to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) says the list is put together during each Congress, but that this year’s number is likely the largest ever. However, he said Pelosi blames GOP senators, not Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) or Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.).

“The Speaker believes that the filibuster has its place, but clearly Senate Republicans are taking what was once a rare procedural move and abusing it to the detriment of progress for America’s working families,” said Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill.

But some House Democrats and their aides have shown no reticence in blaming Senate Democrats, who enjoyed a supermajority until Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) was sworn in earlier this month.

I know that it is popular to shit on Nancy Pelosi, but the chamber she presides over gets shit done. Whether you like what they pass or not, the fact of the matter is that Nancy gets things passed. Harry Reid, on the other hand, is completely useless in the Senate.


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I know the senate is meant to "cool" legislation, but perhaps the modern filibuster (essentially just a mandatory 3/5 requirement) is overdoing it a teeny bit.
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That's a lot of fucking bills:




I know that it is popular to shit on Nancy Pelosi, but the chamber she presides over gets shit done. Whether you like what they pass or not, the fact of the matter is that Nancy gets things passed. Harry Reid, on the other hand, is completely useless in the Senate.


http://thehill.com/homenews/house/83...90-house-bills
I wonder how much worse the deficit would be if Harry Reid could "get shit done"?

I'm gonna copyright that shit if it's ok, I mean maybe you lost sight of the epic problem that we ALREADY have far too much government bills passed which are almost all spending bills.
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That's a lot of fucking bills:




I know that it is popular to shit on Nancy Pelosi, but the chamber she presides over gets shit done. Whether you like what they pass or not, the fact of the matter is that Nancy gets things passed. Harry Reid, on the other hand, is completely useless in the Senate.


http://thehill.com/homenews/house/83...90-house-bills
I am far from a consitutional expert but wasn't Congress set up to work that way? Unless you are making the argument that with 60 Democrats Reid should have been able to do more.
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I wonder how much worse the deficit would be if Harry Reid could "get shit done"?

I'm gonna copyright that shit if it's ok, I mean maybe you lost sight of the epic problem that we ALREADY have far too much government bills passed which are almost all spending bills.

First of all, the Democrats have PAYGO in place so any spending bills passed ahve to have a source of financing or accompanying spending cuts. So, how much worse would the deficit get? Not much at all.

And I'll go right ahead and call bullshit on the claim that almost all bills passed are spending bills.
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First of all, the Democrats have PAYGO in place so any spending bills passed ahve to have a source of financing or accompanying spending cuts. So, how much worse would the deficit get? Not much at all.
LOL, your party is a party of lawyers, funded by lawyers and you've already proved you can get around PAYGO just fine.

Whether it be by using the "emergency exemption" like the Dems did with the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (although this one was extra cute because they said ONLY the spending increases did PAYGO not apply to and not the tax cuts)
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as PAYGO does not apply to "direct spending" if it is incorporated into an annual or supplemental appropriations spending bill, then you circumvent it by including the direct spending increases in an annual appropriation bill, which you in fact already did for the Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2009.

Basically PAYGO in a practical sense is a way for leftwing Dems to make more popular bipartisan spending look like "doggone it! this is gonna require supplemental funding" (as in we are going to have to pass tax increases), while exempting their giant ideological spending bills from worrying about it.

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And I'll go right ahead and call bullshit on the claim that almost all bills passed are spending bills.
Even in 2009, with nomination votes to affirm, the senate is still loaded with spending bills:
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0809/081109cdpm1.htm
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To the hypocritical 'Rats, gridlock is good when Chuck U Shumer holds up George Bush's judicial nominations, but bad when 'Rats want to spend more money.
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the article linked to the OP promises a list of the stalled bills......it isn't provided....anyone know what's stalled and whether we're glad they are?.....

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/83057-290-bills
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I am far from a consitutional expert but wasn't Congress set up to work that way? Unless you are making the argument that with 60 Democrats Reid should have been able to do more.
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I am far from a consitutional expert but wasn't Congress set up to work that way? Unless you are making the argument that with 60 Democrats Reid should have been able to do more.

Actually, while the Senate was set up as an inherently undemocratic institution to thwart the will of the majority by providing over-representation of less populous states and under-representation of more populous states, the imposition of a super-majority requirement runs counter to the constitution and is contrary to the Constitution.

Where the founders sought to impose a super-majority requirement they made it explicit. There is no constitutional basis for a supermarket requirement for bills to pass the Senate.
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Actually, while the Senate was set up as an inherently undemocratic institution to thwart the will of the majority by providing over-representation of less populous states and under-representation of more populous states, the imposition of a super-majority requirement runs counter to the constitution and is contrary to the Constitution.
W.T.F.!?!?!?!?!

are you serious?
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Yes, I am 100% completely serious. What do you find objectionable?
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Yes, I am 100% completely serious. What do you find objectionable?
what do I find objectionable? not sure, maybe it's your total and willful ignorance of why the senate was created within the first article of the constitution and your complete ability to totally believe the bullshit you spouted about it.
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