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    My interpretation of your statement which I quoted lead to my writing the OP. How do you plead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Can we even spare enough words to have an actually intellegent conversation about them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    My interpretation of your statement which I quoted lead to my writing the OP. How do you plead?
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    So you interpreted it to mean that the word was important rather than the wholesale misapplication of the actual history?
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    yeah...i've asked him what this thread is about and he still can't explain it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    So you interpreted it to mean that the word was important rather than the wholesale misapplication of the actual history?
    How would you convey the idea of history without a word?
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    Did you say something? Yes, I was talking to you, didn't you hear me? No, what was it you said? Nothing important, actually I think I'll start now. Huh? Start talking now, what I said is in the past, don't you agree? That is true, go on Yes, go on, that is true too, we always go on, there is no stopping the thing is there? What thing? Life, it goes on and on, we grow old, my bones, how they ache is that what you wanted to talk about? No, not at all, funny isn't it, time has moved this whole time we have been talking Yes, how true, once again you have caught on to something, go on Yes, there's no stopping it, do you remember when you were a child? Vaguely, I remember wanting to grow up, that's my only memory of that time Up, yes, isn't it funny how words stand in for time? Up, our future Yes, you're right, but now we are up as you put it so well, what is left? Or right Oh right, direction again, but time you can't move in time can we? it has control Yes, most certainly time is all there is An odd thought, what do you mean? Mean, meaning has nothing to do with it, we are caught, you and i, caught by our birth to exist in time, no way to get around it, no way to deceive it Suppose we break all clocks to revenge this fate? No, that would hardly do, clocks only stand in for time, time itself is nowhere or maybe everywhere it is god then Yes, one could say that Shouldn't we then worship it? What good would that do, like all gods it never listens I will shout then 'time''time' Listens No answer See, I told you so Maybe we should offer some sacrifice? No, that would not do either Does time ever listen? No, never You are certain of that, huh? Yes, certain Why? I have watched man try for ages to get his attention, but never a word or sigh he hears A he huh? Who knows Never a word? Yes, never, but don't you see this is all imaginary, we have made it up, you and i, only to occupy time That is true, go on Yes, I will, isn't this enjoyable, this passing of time? But is that all there is? Starts singing, 'is that all there is' funny, but look it is getting dark, night is coming, see it is working What is working? This passing of time I am growing tired Not up? No, only tired Me too, it is fun this passing of time isn't it, good night Good night Tomorrow's another day Another time Another day to pass time I am beginning to enjoy time See you tomorrow I can hardly wait Maybe then we will get a chance to talk Will it be like today? Yes, of course, just like today
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    How would you convey the idea of history without a word?
    With an image.

    I think this is "deep" only for the stoned.

    One may use words to paint an image, with those words they can diminish understanding or expand it. The attempt to diminish the importance of that period of history should be met with a staunch reiteration of its importance. The words used to paint the picture are only important through what use you put them towards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    With an image.

    I think this is "deep" only for the stoned.

    One may use words to paint an image, with those words they can diminish understanding or expand it. The attempt to diminish the importance of that period of history should be met with a staunch reiteration of its importance. The words used to paint the picture are only important through what use you put them towards.
    Not trying to be "deep", trying to clarify. Not stoned either.

    Why would you describe using a word as "an attempt to diminish that period of history" when one would imagine rather that one's intent in choosing a highly charged word would be to invoke the enormity of that period of history in relation to a contemporary topic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    With an image.

    I think this is "deep" only for the stoned.

    One may use words to paint an image, with those words they can diminish understanding or expand it. The attempt to diminish the importance of that period of history should be met with a staunch reiteration of its importance. The words used to paint the picture are only important through what use you put them towards.

    For anyone who thinks images are sufficient may I suggest you watch "The World at War" with no sound. Without words the millions of images would makes no sense except to show death and destruction. Images requires context, background.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    For anyone who thinks images are sufficient may I suggest you watch "The World at War" with no sound. Without words the millions of images would makes no sense except to show death and destruction. Images requires context, background.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Not trying to be "deep", trying to clarify. Not stoned either.

    Why would you describe using a word as "an attempt to diminish that period of history" when one would imagine rather that one's intent in choosing a highly charged word would be to invoke the enormity of that period of history in relation to a contemporary topic?
    You describe it that way, I did not. Your straw man is weak, unclothed, and obvious.
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    Strawman? You said if we use the word hitler (and other words I assume) it weakens it. (the word overused). I am saying words convey ideas and are not weakened by use. How is that a strawman?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Strawman? You said if we use the word hitler (and other words I assume) it weakens it. (the word overused). I am saying words convey ideas and are not weakened by use. How is that a strawman?
    A deliberate "misinterpretation" of the context. The use in the thread clearly understates and diminishes the impact of the history through a comparison to something with little historical impact. It is necessary to restate the actual history that they pass over when such comparisons are made so that no generation will misplace the necessary knowledge to learn from history.

    Calling a feminist a "nazi" for instance. People who use such terminology are either ignorant of the true history, if they met a real Nazi they'd crap their pants, pass out, and wake up with a number tattooed on their arm in line to have their fillings removed for the gold, their skin removed to be made into a lampshade, fed poisons to test effectiveness, made to make the very implements of death which will be their end after they dig their own grave.

    It isn't something that should be used as a dismissive joke as it diminishes our capacity to understand and learn from what happened. The word use isn't the problem, it is the attempt to diminish the history.
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    Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
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    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
    - -- Aristotle

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