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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned View Post
    I'm actually stuck in between both extremes with both sides hating me. I'm all for gun ownership, I even like concealed carry permits, but I want registration and I want people with a criminal record prohibited from owning guns. Now let me finish first, when I say criminal reccord im talking about felonies, not misdemeanors and I want convictions, I don't care if a guy who was caught speeding owns a gun but I definitely don't want somebody who's been convicted twice of domestic violence owning a shotgun so that when he gets drunk he can kill his wife.
    Why registration?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned View Post
    but I want registration
    you realize that registration leads to confiscation, right?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Maybe I'm naive on the subject of registration, but if a gun isn't registered...how do they trace it back to the owner when investigating a crime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onceler View Post
    Maybe I'm naive on the subject of registration, but if a gun isn't registered...how do they trace it back to the owner when investigating a crime?
    several factors can come in to play. If the original owner bought it from an FFL, the serial number trace can come back to the FFL who sold it, and then to who it was sold to. If the secondary owner had it stolen and he filed a report, then the serial trace will come back to the last known owner. the important issue to remember, though, is that the last known owner isn't necessarily the criminal who committed the crime with the gun. That also isn't the reason that registration needs to be disavowed.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterThanYou View Post
    you realize that registration leads to confiscation, right?
    Sure that's why when you buy a car the government steals it, and every time you register a patent the government steals that, and, and, and.
    By the way, this is Sarcasm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterThanYou View Post
    you realize that registration leads to confiscation, right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Onceler View Post
    Maybe I'm naive on the subject of registration, but if a gun isn't registered...how do they trace it back to the owner when investigating a crime?
    Well, how do they trace a gun with registration? At best they can determine caliber and barrel length from a ballistics test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned View Post
    Sure that's why when you buy a car the government steals it, and every time you register a patent the government steals that, and, and, and.
    By the way, this is Sarcasm.
    yeah yeah yeah. seriously though, you do realize that registration leads to confiscation, don't you?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    The Constitution is a charter of conferred powers, powers the people possess and only lend to government. All powers not conferred to the federal government are retained by the people to either be granted to empower state governments or further retained as rights of the people. Included among those fully retained rights, under federal and many state governments, is the individual citizen's right to keep and bear arms free of any conditioning or qualification.

    The citizen's right to arms does not exist because the 2nd Amendment is there or from any particular interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. The right exists because no power was ever granted to the federal government to even contemplate the personal arms of the private citizen.

    IOW, there was nothing for the government to "give back" or "grant" to the citizen via the 2nd Amendment because the government cannot grant that which it never possessed . . . Likewise there is nothing for the government to "take back" by repealing the 2nd Amendment with the intention of disarming of the citizenry.

    If one wants to really "understand" the 2nd Amendment, consider that all the 2nd Amendment "does" is redundantly forbid the federal government the exercise of powers never granted to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned View Post
    Sure that's why when you buy a car the government steals it, and every time you register a patent the government steals that, and, and, and.
    By the way, this is Sarcasm.

    Not really,....its more like strawman bullshit....as is the spinning of bullshit in post 24......that mis-states what the US Constitution is and does, and the Bill of Rights....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravo View Post
    Not really,....its more like strawman bullshit....as is the spinning of bullshit in post 24......that mis-states what the US Constitution is and does, and the Bill of Rights....
    LOL. Is there any chance you could crib together something that could be considered a reasoned rebuttal to what I wrote or any reasoned oppositional statement that explains your understanding of what "the US Constitution is and does, and the Bill of Rights...."??????

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterThanYou View Post
    yeah yeah yeah. seriously though, you do realize that registration leads to confiscation, don't you?


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    reference your little captioned pic, why 1871? can you explain that?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterThanYou View Post
    reference your little captioned pic, why 1871? can you explain that?
    Establishment of the National Rifle Association . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abatis View Post
    LOL. Is there any chance you could crib together something that could be considered a reasoned rebuttal to what I wrote or any reasoned oppositional statement that explains your understanding of what "the US Constitution is and does, and the Bill of Rights...."??????
    I suppose you think Bravo is a liberal anti-gun nut too?
    It is the responsibility of every American citizen to own a modern military rifle.

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