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    Default Just putting this out there for comment

    http://www.thecatholicpost.com/post/...e.aspx?ID=2440

    I think this is out of bounds. Seperation of church and state should not be a one way street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    http://www.thecatholicpost.com/post/...e.aspx?ID=2440

    I think this is out of bounds. Seperation of church and state should not be a one way street.
    he is a jerk full of himself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Quixote View Post
    he is a jerk full of himself
    ".....In clear violation of our First Amendment rights, Barack Obama – with his radical, pro abortion and extreme secularist agenda, now seems intent on following a similar path.

    Now things have come to such a pass in America that this is a battle that we could lose, but before the awesome judgement seat of Almighty God this is not a war where any believing Catholic may remain neutral.

    This fall, every practicing Catholic must vote, and must vote their Catholic consciences, or by the following fall our Catholic schools, our Catholic hospitals, our Catholic Newman Centers, all our public ministries -- only excepting our church buildings – could easily be shut down. Because no Catholic institution, under any circumstance, can ever cooperate with the instrinsic evil of killing innocent human life in the womb."


    Catholic Newman Centers?????? I know of one Newman Center, where the resident priest was eventually removed, because of his penchant for "high school boys".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    http://www.thecatholicpost.com/post/...e.aspx?ID=2440

    I think this is out of bounds. Seperation of church and state should not be a one way street.
    I agree. Tax the mother fuckers. The price for preaching politics from the pulpit is taxation. You're absolutely right. Freedom of speech is not a one way street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derp Derp View Post
    I agree. Tax the mother fuckers. The price for preaching politics from the pulpit is taxation. You're absolutely right. Freedom of speech is not a one way street.
    So, Obama has the right to force private religious organizations to pay for practices that go against their religion, but the religious leaders are not allowed to speak about it? You have a weird sense of freedom of speech.
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    They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    So, Obama has the right to force private religious organizations to pay for practices that go against their religion, but the religious leaders are not allowed to speak about it? You have a weird sense of freedom of speech.

    Private religious organization are free to engage in partisan politics if they wish, but there is no constitutional right to 501(c)(3) status. That's the trade-off and one that I am OK with. If religious organizations think it's a bad deal, they're free to not claim tax-exempt status.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Buck Turgidson View Post
    Private religious organization are free to engage in partisan politics if they wish, but there is no constitutional right to 501(c)(3) status. That's the trade-off and one that I am OK with. If religious organizations think it's a bad deal, they're free to not claim tax-exempt status.
    LMAO... the religious organizations cannot endorse a candidate make contributions etc... but they most certainly can make the comments in that article and maintain tax exempt status.

    This fall, every practicing Catholic must vote, and must vote their Catholic consciences, or by the following fall our Catholic schools, our Catholic hospitals, our Catholic Newman Centers, all our public ministries -- only excepting our church buildings – could easily be shut down. Because no Catholic institution, under any circumstance, can ever cooperate with the instrinsic evil of killing innocent human life in the womb.
    Telling people about an issue and then telling them to vote their conscience is not an endorsement of a candidate nor does it violate the restrictions on 501c3's.
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    They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    LMAO... the religious organizations cannot endorse a candidate make contributions etc... but they most certainly can make the comments in that article and maintain tax exempt status.
    I think that reasonable people can disagree about this.


    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    Telling people about an issue and then telling them to vote their conscience is not an endorsement of a candidate nor does it violate the restrictions on 501c3's.
    No, it doesn't, but your selection doesn't do justice to the comments. Here's a bit more context:

    Remember that in past history other governments have tried to force Christians to huddle and hide only within the confines of their churches like the first disciples locked up in the Upper Room.

    In the late 19th century, Bismarck waged his “Kulturkampf,” a Culture War, against the Roman Catholic Church, closing down every Catholic school and hospital, convent and monastery in Imperial Germany.

    Clemenceau, nicknamed “the priest eater,” tried the same thing in France in the first decade of the 20th Century.

    Hitler and Stalin, at their better moments, would just barely tolerate some churches remaining open, but would not tolerate any competition with the state in education, social services, and health care.

    In clear violation of our First Amendment rights, Barack Obama – with his radical, pro abortion and extreme secularist agenda, now seems intent on following a similar path.

    Now things have come to such a pass in America that this is a battle that we could lose, but before the awesome judgement seat of Almighty God this is not a war where any believing Catholic may remain neutral.

    This fall, every practicing Catholic must vote, and must vote their Catholic consciences, or by the following fall our Catholic schools, our Catholic hospitals, our Catholic Newman Centers, all our public ministries -- only excepting our church buildings – could easily be shut down. Because no Catholic institution, under any circumstance, can ever cooperate with the instrinsic evil of killing innocent human life in the womb.

    No Catholic ministry – and yes, Mr. President, for Catholics our schools and hospitals are ministries – can remain faithful to the Lordship of the Risen Christ and to his glorious Gospel of Life if they are forced to pay for abortions.

    I guess you can contend that comparing Obama to Hitler and Stalin and urging people to vote against him isn't engaging in partisan political activities, but I don't think it is a very compelling argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Buck Turgidson View Post
    I think that reasonable people can disagree about this.
    ok.


    No, it doesn't, but your selection doesn't do justice to the comments. Here's a bit more context:

    I guess you can contend that comparing Obama to Hitler and Stalin and urging people to vote against him isn't engaging in partisan political activities, but I don't think it is a very compelling argument.
    Please tell us where he stated they should vote against Obama?

    You do realize that 501c3's speak about the issues that concern them and then tell their followers to vote for those that will support their message?
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    They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    ok.




    Please tell us where he stated they should vote against Obama?

    You do realize that 501c3's speak about the issues that concern them and then tell their followers to vote for those that will support their message?

    Like I said, you can argue that comparing Obama to Hitler and Stalin, saying he will destroy the Church and then urging people to vote to prevent that from happening isn't urging Catholics to vote against Obama, but I don't think its a very strong argument. Most 501(c)(3)'s are much much much more careful than this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derp Derp View Post
    I agree. Tax the mother fuckers. The price for preaching politics from the pulpit is taxation. You're absolutely right. Freedom of speech is not a one way street.
    Uh, yes it is. You have the freedom of speech. There is no limit. Therefore it IS a one way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Jefferson View Post
    Uh, yes it is. You have the freedom of speech. There is no limit. Therefore it IS a one way.
    Yes there are limits.
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    It's this kind of diatribe, er, homily that makes me embarrassed for the Church.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Derp Derp View Post
    I agree. Tax the mother fuckers. The price for preaching politics from the pulpit is taxation. You're absolutely right. Freedom of speech is not a one way street.

    If that were the case, just about every black Church in the nation would be paying taxes and Obama and Clinton would would be in contempt for campaigning and fund raising in those black Churches......


    I find it refreshing that finally someone in the Church leadership speaks out against the 'war on Christianity' and especially the obvious "war on Catholics" the has been decreed by Obama by his attempt to force the Church to support what has been against their teachings for centuries......
    Now if only the Church rank and file had the balls to support their Church......
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravo View Post
    If that were the case, just about every black Church in the nation would be paying taxes and Obama and Clinton would would be in contempt for campaigning and fund raising in those black Churches......


    I find it refreshing that finally someone in the Church leadership speaks out against the 'war on Christianity' and especially the obvious "war on Catholics" the has been decreed by Obama by his attempt to force the Church to support what has been against their teachings for centuries......
    Now if only the Church rank and file had the balls to support their Church......
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