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    Default For the good of the country, it's time for elites to let the Clintons go

    t goes without saying that if Hillary Clinton cannot be trusted with our national secrets, used her government positions for personal gain, or puts her personal interests ahead of the national interest, she should not be elected president.

    In a commercial republic like ours, the one unforgivable sin of a politician is putting money ahead of national honor.

    If the people no longer believe that their government is run honestly -- if they conclude that their leaders are merely crooks with little flags on their lapels -- then the whole system is at risk.

    We ask the people to put up with a lot from their leadership. They have to pay taxes they don't want to pay, they have to obey laws that they don't like, and they may have to fight in wars that they oppose. If the people come to believe that the whole system is a scam -- that the folks at the top don't really believe in the very system they're supposed to uphold -- then this country will quickly become ungovernable.

    All voters have to decide for themselves how they feel about Hillary Clinton. But no group has to take these questions more seriously than the elites of our society -- the wealthy and highly educated people who run our media, staff our government, and manage our largest financial and commercial institutions.

    There's been a lot of complaints about the elites this year -- and with good reason. For the most part, the policies they have supported in this century have been extraordinarily good for them -- and not so good for most Americans.

    That fact explains why so many Americans this year ignored their wishes, and supported outsider candidates like Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.

    But the Hillary issue goes far beyond this election. It goes to the character of the type of people who govern the United States, who run its largest businesses and manage its biggest media outlets.

    Do they really care about the ideals of our country or not? If they do, then they must understand that they cannot turn the White House over to a collection of petty grifters who care more about lining their own pockets than watching out for the nation's interests.


    I mean that they have to study the facts as best they can, and look into their own hearts, and make an honest decision about whether the Clintons deserve to return to the White House. In America, the government belongs to all of us -- and all of us, especially the richest and most powerful, have a responsibility to do the right thing.

    Some will try to duck that responsibility by complaining about Donald Trump. They will claim that he's a dangerous demagogue of the kind the Founders warned against.
    However, the Founders created a whole system to block demagogues from wielding too much power. They created a Senate, a Supreme Court, and lots of different state governments to push back against a demagogue. They created a free press so that the opponents of a demagogue could make their voices heard. If Donald Trump becomes president, he will be subject to all of those constraints.

    Yet what about a check on a corrupt leadership class? Our Founders didn't create that -- because they were smart enough to realize that no such check is possible. If the richest and most powerful members of our society no longer care about the ideals of this society, then the dream of the Founders has already been lost.

    I have no doubt that some members of the elite class are certain that Hillary Clinton is an innocent patriot who has long been misunderstood by her enemies. If that's what they believe, they should say so, and let history judge them accordingly. But if you don't believe that Hillary is honest -- if you don't believe that she can be trusted to do the right thing -- then you have a moral obligation to speak out now, before any more damage is done.

    Forty-two years ago, another group of elites faced a similar dilemma. Consider the challenge that faced Establishment Republicans in 1974.

    For over 20 years, Richard Nixon had been one of the leaders -- and often the leader -- of the GOP Establishment. He had been on the ticket in five presidential elections, and the Republicans had won four of those. Almost every Republican in Washington owed him favors.

    Only two years before, he had won a stupendous personal victory -- carrying 49 of the 50 states in the 1972 Presidential election. Breaking with Nixon meant that the Democrats would sweep the 1974 midterm elections, and that the GOP Establishment might wander in the wilderness for years to come. It meant the end of many promising political careers, and the risk that Reagan's outsiders
    would take over the Republican Party. And after all, why couldn't the Republicans fight all charges? Why couldn't they threaten Nixon's enemies, and stonewall any impeachment proceedings, and try to drag out everything until after the 1976 election?

    They could have done that -- but they didn't. Instead, in early August 1974, key GOP leaders in Congress went to President Nixon and told him that his support on Capitol Hill had collapsed. Soon thereafter, Nixon resigned. The GOP Establishment was shattered. But it had done the right thing.

    What about today's Establishment? They understand Hillary Clinton's character better than anyone -- many of them have known her for decades.

    Many, no doubt, consider her to be a friend. All of them, by now, have an opinion on the three questions cited at the beginning of this piece.

    If they believe in her -- if they trust her -- then they should vouch for her. But if they don't, then they should do everything possible to prevent her from holding high public office.

    This responsibility falls on the press. It falls on the biggest donors in both parties. It falls on people like the Bushes and Colin Powell who have held high public office. It also falls on Democrats -- especially high-ranking Democrats like Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

    Some will believe, no doubt, that it's easy for populists to make this type of demand -- that it's easy to call upon the elites to make this type of sacrifice. But the whole point of being in the elite is that you have special power -- and a special responsibility. There's no question that our elites have enjoyed their power. Now it's time for them to live up to their responsibility.
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/...intons-go.html

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    some will believe, no doubt, that it's easy for populists to make this type of demand -- that it's easy to call upon the elites to make this type of sacrifice. But the whole point of being in the elite is that you have special power -- and a special responsibility. There's no question that our elites have enjoyed their power. Now it's time for them to live up to their responsibility.
    the plutocrats have to dump Clinton's oligarchy big donor special interets

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    Sorry, dude - the alternative is Trump.

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    I would agree with you if the alternative were JEB, or Kasich, or Bernie or even Paul... but the alternative is more corrupt and less mentally stable.
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    44 U.S.C. 2202 - The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.


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    In this case, the lesser of two evils.....

    I wasn't much interested in any presidents love life, even Bill Clintons....it was perjury and obstruction that turned me against him....
    And, I'm not interested in Trumps love affairs either.....its the proven corruption that radiates from Hillary that I can't overlook.

    I'll take a chance on the unknown rather than continue on with the obvious corruption in DC as it stands now.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    the plutocrats have to dump Clinton's oligarchy big donor special interets
    One would hope. But, this is the Clintons we're talking about here.

    They will claw, scratch, lie, bribe, throw their own under the bus along the way, watch their blind faithful assistants and cohorts get mocked, ridiculed, fired (Sanders, Wasserman-Schultz, Brazille, Abadin, others). They pull these blind souls into their tractor beam and then set their 'phasers on kill' because they are no longer useful to them. Clintons are all about themselves, everyone else is road kill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    One would hope. But, this is the Clintons we're talking about here.

    They will claw, scratch, lie, bribe, throw their own under the bus along the way, watch their blind faithful assistants and cohorts get mocked, ridiculed, fired (Sanders, Wasserman-Schultz, Brazille, Abadin, others). They pull these blind souls into their tractor beam and then set their 'phasers on kill' because they are no longer useful to them. Clintons are all about themselves, everyone else is road kill.
    yes. It's who they are..
    The article calls on the oligarchy to disown one of their own (Clinton) for the good of the country.

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    Default For the good of the country, it's time for elites to let the Clintons go

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I would agree with you if the alternative were JEB, or Kasich, or Bernie or even Paul... but the alternative is more corrupt and less mentally stable.
    Well isn't it about time that your much vaunted system of checks and balances was tested? If Trump were to fuck up then surely he'd be out on his ear PDQ.

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    Looks like the email scandal is working its way through! Trump is now in the lead!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...wake-of-email/

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    if it were always a question of voting for the lesser of two evils, Hilliary would lose to Satan.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    if it were always a question of voting for the lesser of two evils, Hilliary would lose to Satan.......
    lol.. the "presidency from hell" is awaiting in the wings

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    the plutocrats have to dump Clinton's oligarchy big donor special interets
    What a retard
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    Default For the good of the country, it's time for elites to let the Clintons go

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I would agree with you if the alternative were JEB, or Kasich, or Bernie or even Paul... but the alternative is more corrupt and less mentally stable.
    You would not. Don't lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    t goes without saying that if Hillary Clinton cannot be trusted with our national secrets, used her government positions for personal gain, or puts her personal interests ahead of the national interest, she should not be elected president.

    In a commercial republic like ours, the one unforgivable sin of a politician is putting money ahead of national honor.

    If the people no longer believe that their government is run honestly -- if they conclude that their leaders are merely crooks with little flags on their lapels -- then the whole system is at risk.

    We ask the people to put up with a lot from their leadership. They have to pay taxes they don't want to pay, they have to obey laws that they don't like, and they may have to fight in wars that they oppose. If the people come to believe that the whole system is a scam -- that the folks at the top don't really believe in the very system they're supposed to uphold -- then this country will quickly become ungovernable.

    All voters have to decide for themselves how they feel about Hillary Clinton. But no group has to take these questions more seriously than the elites of our society -- the wealthy and highly educated people who run our media, staff our government, and manage our largest financial and commercial institutions.

    There's been a lot of complaints about the elites this year -- and with good reason. For the most part, the policies they have supported in this century have been extraordinarily good for them -- and not so good for most Americans.

    That fact explains why so many Americans this year ignored their wishes, and supported outsider candidates like Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.

    But the Hillary issue goes far beyond this election. It goes to the character of the type of people who govern the United States, who run its largest businesses and manage its biggest media outlets.

    Do they really care about the ideals of our country or not? If they do, then they must understand that they cannot turn the White House over to a collection of petty grifters who care more about lining their own pockets than watching out for the nation's interests.


    I mean that they have to study the facts as best they can, and look into their own hearts, and make an honest decision about whether the Clintons deserve to return to the White House. In America, the government belongs to all of us -- and all of us, especially the richest and most powerful, have a responsibility to do the right thing.

    Some will try to duck that responsibility by complaining about Donald Trump. They will claim that he's a dangerous demagogue of the kind the Founders warned against.
    However, the Founders created a whole system to block demagogues from wielding too much power. They created a Senate, a Supreme Court, and lots of different state governments to push back against a demagogue. They created a free press so that the opponents of a demagogue could make their voices heard. If Donald Trump becomes president, he will be subject to all of those constraints.

    Yet what about a check on a corrupt leadership class? Our Founders didn't create that -- because they were smart enough to realize that no such check is possible. If the richest and most powerful members of our society no longer care about the ideals of this society, then the dream of the Founders has already been lost.

    I have no doubt that some members of the elite class are certain that Hillary Clinton is an innocent patriot who has long been misunderstood by her enemies. If that's what they believe, they should say so, and let history judge them accordingly. But if you don't believe that Hillary is honest -- if you don't believe that she can be trusted to do the right thing -- then you have a moral obligation to speak out now, before any more damage is done.

    Forty-two years ago, another group of elites faced a similar dilemma. Consider the challenge that faced Establishment Republicans in 1974.

    For over 20 years, Richard Nixon had been one of the leaders -- and often the leader -- of the GOP Establishment. He had been on the ticket in five presidential elections, and the Republicans had won four of those. Almost every Republican in Washington owed him favors.

    Only two years before, he had won a stupendous personal victory -- carrying 49 of the 50 states in the 1972 Presidential election. Breaking with Nixon meant that the Democrats would sweep the 1974 midterm elections, and that the GOP Establishment might wander in the wilderness for years to come. It meant the end of many promising political careers, and the risk that Reagan's outsiders
    would take over the Republican Party. And after all, why couldn't the Republicans fight all charges? Why couldn't they threaten Nixon's enemies, and stonewall any impeachment proceedings, and try to drag out everything until after the 1976 election?

    They could have done that -- but they didn't. Instead, in early August 1974, key GOP leaders in Congress went to President Nixon and told him that his support on Capitol Hill had collapsed. Soon thereafter, Nixon resigned. The GOP Establishment was shattered. But it had done the right thing.

    What about today's Establishment? They understand Hillary Clinton's character better than anyone -- many of them have known her for decades.

    Many, no doubt, consider her to be a friend. All of them, by now, have an opinion on the three questions cited at the beginning of this piece.

    If they believe in her -- if they trust her -- then they should vouch for her. But if they don't, then they should do everything possible to prevent her from holding high public office.

    This responsibility falls on the press. It falls on the biggest donors in both parties. It falls on people like the Bushes and Colin Powell who have held high public office. It also falls on Democrats -- especially high-ranking Democrats like Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

    Some will believe, no doubt, that it's easy for populists to make this type of demand -- that it's easy to call upon the elites to make this type of sacrifice. But the whole point of being in the elite is that you have special power -- and a special responsibility. There's no question that our elites have enjoyed their power. Now it's time for them to live up to their responsibility.
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/...intons-go.html
    It's time for the elites to hang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milagro View Post
    Well isn't it about time that your much vaunted system of checks and balances was tested? If Trump were to fuck up then surely he'd be out on his ear PDQ.

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    Exactly right. Trump wouldn't be a monarch or dictator, he has to go through congress and they would fight him if he came up with an off the wall policy initiative. Or if he turns out as bad as some of his more hyperbolic detractors think he is, impeach him.

    But with Hillary you're going to get institutionalized corruption along with a hefty measure of incompetence and poor judgment.

    It's a no brainer, it's an easy call---you roll the dice on Trump.
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