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    Quote Originally Posted by Stelakh View Post
    I'd suggest you have a look at what high-ups had to say about why they decided to wander off into their own government.

    I can't believe I have to go over this again.
    Oh, not to worry. We have rehashed this debate ad nauseum, quoting from the secession documents and CSA leaders, yet you will still find southern apologists re-setting the debate, starting over with 1) overbearing federal government 2) states's rights 3) economic conditions.

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    Dear evince:

    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    lies are all the right have left
    Dear evince:

    Yes, yes, the right-wing lies and slings mud.

    But is it true that President Obama is pressuring Illinois to adopt a bipartisan plan for austerity?

    And is it also true that Governor Snyder found state Democrats [also right-wingers] and plenty more Democrats in the Detroit Federation of Teachers/American Federation of Teachers and the Coalition for the Future of Detroit Schoolchildren and Democrat union officials with whom to negotiate the ‘restructuring’ of Detroit Schools [whatever THAT means]?

    So long as we’re discussing ‘truth,’ evince, isn’t it true that ‘from Reagan to the Obama administration, Democrats and Republicans alike have overseen a corporate-government assault on the jobs, wages, pensions and health benefits of working people?’

    ‘The ruling elite has dismantled the bulk of the country’s industrial infrastructure, destroying decent-paying jobs by the millions, and turned to the most parasitic and criminal forms of financial speculation as the main source of its profit and private wealth. Untold trillions have been squandered to finance perpetual war and the maniacal self-enrichment of the top 1 percent and 0.1 percent. The basic infrastructure of the country has been starved of funds and left to rot, to the point where uncounted millions of people are being poisoned with lead and other toxins from corroded water systems. Flint, Michigan is just the tip of the iceberg.’

    Isn’t it true, evince, that…

    ‘Under Obama, this social counterrevolution has been intensified. The financial meltdown of 2008 has been utilized by the same forces that precipitated the crash to carry through a reordering of social relations aimed at reversing every social gain won by the working class in the course of a century of struggle?’

    Isn’t it true that ‘a central target of the attack is health care for working people?’

    Isn’t it true that ‘Obamacare is the spearhead of a worked-out strategy to reduce the quantity and quality of health care available to workers and reorganize the health care system directly on a class basis?’

    And evince--isn’t it true that ‘corporate and government costs are to be slashed by gutting employer-paid health care, forcing workers individually to buy expensive, bare-bones plans from the insurance monopolies, and rationing drugs, tests and medical procedures to make them inaccessible to workers?’

    Isn’t it time, evince, that you come clean and tell us that the Democratic Party fully supports the American Imperial agenda, and that you fully support the Democratic Party in its ruthless attack on working class people of the US?

    IMT

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    I go by how Jesus actually did things. He never once went to the government and had them mandate what you would have the government mandate. Jesus didn't have to say not to, His ACTIONS are all that's needed to know he didn't support it.

    What's sad is the Liberals who constantly talk about a separation of religion and government don't mind mixing religion and government when it comes to supporting certain things like social welfare. Typical hypocrites. Actually had one tell me that my religious beliefs shouldn't play a role in my decision concerning abortion or same sex marriage because there was a separation of church and state. However, when asked why he supported government mandated social welfare programs, he said "it was the Christian thing to do". In other words, the typical Liberal hypocrite.
    Hmmmmmm. Interesting.

    The bible is FULL of examples where Jesus mandated that his disciples help the poor, I mean directly told them to. In fact, the Bible is FULL of that kind of thing.

    To wit:

    Hebrews 13:16
    Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.

    Philippians 2:4
    Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.

    Luke 6:38
    Give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.”

    1 John 3:17
    But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?

    Matthew 25:35-40
    For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ ...

    James 2:14-17
    What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

    Galatians 6:2
    Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

    John 15:12
    This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

    Matthew 5:16
    In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

    Proverbs 19:17
    Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.

    Proverbs 22:9
    Whoever has a bountiful eye will be blessed, for he shares his bread with the poor.

    Matthew 5:42
    Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

    Romans 15:1
    We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

    John 15:13
    Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.

    Matthew 10:8
    Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay.

    Acts 20:35
    In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’

    Romans 12:13
    Contribute to the needs of the saints and seek to show hospitality.

    Luke 10:27
    And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.”

    Mark 10:21
    And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

    Luke 3:10-11
    And the crowds asked him, “What then shall we do?” And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”

    Acts 4:32-35
    Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.

    1 Timothy 5:8
    But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

    Matthew 25:44-45
    Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’

    Psalm 41:1-3
    To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. Blessed is the one who considers the poor! In the day of trouble the Lord delivers him; the Lord protects him and keeps him alive; he is called blessed in the land; you do not give him up to the will of his enemies. The Lord sustains him on his sickbed; in his illness you restore him to full health.

    Matthew 25:31-46
    When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me

    1 Timothy 6:17-19
    As for the rich in this present age, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy. They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life.

    Matthew 6:24
    No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

    Acts 4:34-37
    There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. Thus Joseph, who was also called by the apostles Barnabas, a Levite, a native of Cyprus, sold a field that belonged to him and brought the money and laid it at the apostles' feet.

    Galatians 6:9
    And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.

    Romans 12:10
    Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor.

    Ephesians 2:10
    For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

    James 2:1-26
    My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in, and if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, “You sit here in a good place,” while you say to the poor man, “You stand over there,” or, “Sit down at my feet,” have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him?

    Acts 20:35-38
    In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’” And when he had said these things, he knelt down and prayed with them all. And there was much weeping on the part of all; they embraced Paul and kissed him, being sorrowful most of all because of the word he had spoken, that they would not see his face again. And they accompanied him to the ship.

    Matthew 5:41
    And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.

    James 4:17
    So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

    James 2:1-5:20
    My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in, and if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, “You sit here in a good place,” while you say to the poor man, “You stand over there,” or, “Sit down at my feet,” have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him? ...

    Deuteronomy 15:11
    For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

    Matthew 14:13-21
    Now when Jesus heard this, he withdrew from there in a boat to a desolate place by himself. But when the crowds heard it, they followed him on foot from the towns. When he went ashore he saw a great crowd, and he had compassion on them and healed their sick. Now when it was evening, the disciples came to him and said, “This is a desolate place, and the day is now over; send the crowds away to go into the villages and buy food for themselves.” But Jesus said, “They need not go away; you give them something to eat.” They said to him, “We have only five loaves here and two fish.”
    So forget governmental mandate. If you are a Christian (as it seems you may be from your quoted comment), you have a mandate from Jesus and God to help those who are poor.

    And you don't need a biblical mandate for being a decent person and helping those less fortunate as you can. You just need to be a decent person, full stop.

    If I have to dig up more quotes, I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stelakh View Post
    Hmmmmmm. Interesting.

    The bible is FULL of examples where Jesus mandated that his disciples help the poor, I mean directly told them to. In fact, the Bible is FULL of that kind of thing.

    To wit:



    So forget governmental mandate. If you are a Christian (as it seems you may be from your quoted comment), you have a mandate from Jesus and God to help those who are poor.

    And you don't need a biblical mandate for being a decent person and helping those less fortunate as you can. You just need to be a decent person, full stop.

    If I have to dig up more quotes, I can.
    If he's a Christian (or a decent moral person, you Marxist disgrace) how do you know he doesn't help the poor or the down and out? The disciples of Christ were not government bureaucrats, they were ordinary common people from the community. The message of Christ was community charity, not governmental wealth redistribution to further empower the government.

    You have some nerve quoting scripture that you wish to eradicate and replace with your cultural Marxism and your anti first amendment socialism. Everything with you begins and ends with government. This is why leftists like you never open your wallets to help out your fellow man because for you everytrhing has to be done collectively from a central governmental power.
    MAGA IS ALIVE AND WELL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philly rabbit View Post
    If he's a Christian (or a decent moral person, you Marxist disgrace) how do you know he doesn't help the poor or the down and out? The disciples of Christ were not government bureaucrats, they were ordinary common people from the community. The message of Christ was community charity, not governmental wealth redistribution to further empower the government.

    You have some nerve quoting scripture that you wish to eradicate and replace with your cultural Marxism and your anti first amendment socialism. Everything with you begins and ends with government. This is why leftists like you never open your wallets to help out your fellow man because for you everytrhing has to be done collectively from a central governmental power.
    Oh, you're back, are you?

    And apparently you're still incapable of reading more than a line or two, or you'd know I put my money, time and effort where my mouth is.

    Why do I have some nerve quoting scripture, pray tell? Since I actually follow the tenets laid out above and I'm not even a Christian? Because I used the Bible to say, "Oh, yes, Jesus DID mandate to his disciples that they go out and help the poor" and I'm correct about it?

    You're going to have to do a lot better than your pathetic attempts here, I'm afraid. Your rank ignorance isn't just showing, it's kicking its legs up and singing show tunes.

    Go back and read what I've said through this entire thread, you obtuse piece of flotsam, then come apologize like a good little puppet.

    And hey, would you mind finding something to call me besides, "Marxist"? I'm bored with that, now. I rather liked the Woodstock one. Want to start referring to me with that? That'd be great. I always enjoy a good laugh.

    And that's all you're good for, isn't it? A laugh.

    Run along now.

    You're done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stelakh View Post
    Hmmmmmm. Interesting.

    The bible is FULL of examples where Jesus mandated that his disciples help the poor, I mean directly told them to. In fact, the Bible is FULL of that kind of thing.

    To wit:



    So forget governmental mandate. If you are a Christian (as it seems you may be from your quoted comment), you have a mandate from Jesus and God to help those who are poor.

    And you don't need a biblical mandate for being a decent person and helping those less fortunate as you can. You just need to be a decent person, full stop.

    If I have to dig up more quotes, I can.
    Jesus' ethical or moral teachings were almost exclusively directed at the individual. The Pharisees were the only exception I can think of. Liberals who try to use Jesus' moral instruction to justify wealth distribution are guilty of hijacking scripture.

    Regarding the OP: America IS becoming less Christian and increasingly secular. But as long as the majority claim to be Christian we are still a Christian nation based on that metric. America was never a Christian nation in theocratic terms; was never intended to be and never will be, because 'Christian theocracy' is an oxymoron.

    The founders knew this better than our modern secular liberal friends who bristle instinctively at the phrase 'Christian nation'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stelakh View Post
    Hmmmmmm. Interesting.

    The bible is FULL of examples where Jesus mandated that his disciples help the poor, I mean directly told them to. In fact, the Bible is FULL of that kind of thing.

    To wit:



    So forget governmental mandate. If you are a Christian (as it seems you may be from your quoted comment), you have a mandate from Jesus and God to help those who are poor.

    And you don't need a biblical mandate for being a decent person and helping those less fortunate as you can. You just need to be a decent person, full stop.

    If I have to dig up more quotes, I can.
    Let's not forget these:

    Proverbs 13:4
    The soul of the sluggard craves and gets nothing, while the soul of the diligent is richly supplied.

    Colossians 3:23
    Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men,

    2 Thessalonians 3:10
    For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.


    Proverbs 10:4
    A slack hand causes poverty, but the hand of the diligent makes rich.

    Proverbs 18:9
    Whoever is slack in his work is a brother to him who destroys.

    Proverbs 21:25
    The desire of the sluggard kills him, for his hands refuse to labor.

    Proverbs 20:4
    The sluggard does not plow in the autumn; he will seek at harvest and have nothing.

    Proverbs 19:15
    Slothfulness casts into a deep sleep, and an idle person will suffer hunger.

    Proverbs 12:24
    The hand of the diligent will rule, while the slothful will be put to forced labor.


    Proverbs 6:6
    Go to the ant, O sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise.

    James 1:22
    But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

    2 Thessalonians 3:11-12
    For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies. Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living.

    Proverbs 14:23
    In all toil there is profit, but mere talk tends only to poverty.

    Proverbs 10:5
    He who gathers in summer is a prudent son, but he who sleeps in harvest is a son who brings shame.

    Ephesians 4:28
    Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need.

    Proverbs 10:26
    Like vinegar to the teeth and smoke to the eyes, so is the sluggard to those who send him.

    Proverbs 22:29
    Do you see a man skillful in his work? He will stand before kings; he will not stand before obscure men.

    Ecclesiastes 10:18
    Through sloth the roof sinks in, and through indolence the house leaks.

    Proverbs 12:11
    Whoever works his land will have plenty of bread, but he who follows worthless pursuits lacks sense

    2 Corinthians 9:6
    The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.

    2 Thessalonians 3:8
    Nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you.
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    Dear Eno L. Camino:

    I had to serious hunting to locate your post. If I don't get back to you, it doesn't mean I'm ignoring you; likely, it means I'm going blind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eno L. Camino View Post
    These are working conditions. They are not the same thing as the ability to seek and gain employment.
    I can work with 'conditions.' So long as the ownership/investment/banking class together with the political class remain sole determiners of the 'conditions,' working people will never be 'free' to work. Unless perhaps it is to 'work for free,' which will never feed anyone.

    IMT

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    Dear evince:

    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    because its not properly fettered

    the right keeps unfettering it when they get power
    Rather than 'fettering' the bourgeoisie, why not free the proletariat?

    Come to the Dark Side, evince!

    IMT

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    Dear JPP Reader:

    I didn’t realize we had theologians in our midst.

    Looking at these citations, what I find interesting is that they group rather easily into several classes. I don’t see that the affirmation of labor is at issue. That – and the call to extend care for weaker members of society – doesn’t appear to me as antithetical.

    That said, I have to add that while the recitation of specific texts may have significance for those who study such things, it seems to me that reading the Judeo-Christian narrative as a whole produces something very different.

    The Genesis prologue presents the story of two brothers, Cain and Abel. On being confronted by the deity for fratricide, Cain replies, ‘am I my brother’s keeper.’ If you can read the rest of the Genesis story including that of Joseph and his brothers, and still not connect these details, how much insight will you gain however many texts you muster to your side?

    Moreover, the Exodus narrative presents a picture of an Egyptian economy which is driven by slave labor – and foreign slaves at that. As conditions deteriorate, more hardship is put on the slave laborers. Entering misery, they begin to cry out in distress. What I find intriguing is that Egypt’s king attributes this crying to laziness [Ex 5:8]. It also strikes me as curious that the earlier narrative shows the deity, presumably Yahweh, as telling Cain, ‘your brother’s blood is “crying” out to me from the ground’ [Ge 4:10].

    These are but two texts; yet they function at the heart of a much larger narrative. There are Marxists who contend that these narratives were invented to bring people into bondage to their rulers. I don’t. I think these details preserved from antiquity collective insights that the community believed too important to be lost. And given the emphasis that the Mid Eastern community gives to hospitality to this very day, I have to say that this gives me cause for reflection.

    Yes, someone who is called ‘Paul’ said that people must work to eat. So by the way did someone called Marx. But it seems to me that texts cited stand as necessary corollaries to prevent a lopsided reading of the narrative. As for the grand movement OF the narrative ITSELF, that I believe is undoubtedly slanted toward the care of others [especially the weak and oppressed] and the necessity of forsaking unjust systems of exploitation which intentionally subjugate peoples into perpetuity.

    Another theme comes to us from antiquity which also gives me cause for reflection. It is the fact that in addition to the practice of hospitality and care of others, we also hear the same interpretation placed over the cries of those who come into misery and hardship. ‘They’re lazy.’ I will leave it for those with greater moral character than I have to explain how it is fine, moral Christians persistently use isolated texts to silence the import of the grand narrative while reciting the very words of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, to those in distress today. ‘They’re lazy; they just don’t want to work.’

    http://tinyurl.com/hxmkyn2

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMT View Post
    Dear JPP Reader:

    I didn’t realize we had theologians in our midst.

    Looking at these citations, what I find interesting is that they group rather easily into several classes. I don’t see that the affirmation of labor is at issue. That – and the call to extend care for weaker members of society – doesn’t appear to me as antithetical.

    That said, I have to add that while the recitation of specific texts may have significance for those who study such things, it seems to me that reading the Judeo-Christian narrative as a whole produces something very different.

    The Genesis prologue presents the story of two brothers, Cain and Abel. On being confronted by the deity for fratricide, Cain replies, ‘am I my brother’s keeper.’ If you can read the rest of the Genesis story including that of Joseph and his brothers, and still not connect these details, how much insight will you gain however many texts you muster to your side?

    Moreover, the Exodus narrative presents a picture of an Egyptian economy which is driven by slave labor – and foreign slaves at that. As conditions deteriorate, more hardship is put on the slave laborers. Entering misery, they begin to cry out in distress. What I find intriguing is that Egypt’s king attributes this crying to laziness [Ex 5:8]. It also strikes me as curious that the earlier narrative shows the deity, presumably Yahweh, as telling Cain, ‘your brother’s blood is “crying” out to me from the ground’ [Ge 4:10].

    These are but two texts; yet they function at the heart of a much larger narrative. There are Marxists who contend that these narratives were invented to bring people into bondage to their rulers. I don’t. I think these details preserved from antiquity collective insights that the community believed too important to be lost. And given the emphasis that the Mid Eastern community gives to hospitality to this very day, I have to say that this gives me cause for reflection.

    Yes, someone who is called ‘Paul’ said that people must work to eat. So by the way did someone called Marx. But it seems to me that texts cited stand as necessary corollaries to prevent a lopsided reading of the narrative. As for the grand movement OF the narrative ITSELF, that I believe is undoubtedly slanted toward the care of others [especially the weak and oppressed] and the necessity of forsaking unjust systems of exploitation which intentionally subjugate peoples into perpetuity.

    Another theme comes to us from antiquity which also gives me cause for reflection. It is the fact that in addition to the practice of hospitality and care of others, we also hear the same interpretation placed over the cries of those who come into misery and hardship. ‘They’re lazy.’ I will leave it for those with greater moral character than I have to explain how it is fine, moral Christians persistently use isolated texts to silence the import of the grand narrative while reciting the very words of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, to those in distress today. ‘They’re lazy; they just don’t want to work.’

    http://tinyurl.com/hxmkyn2

    IMT
    The fundamental problem with using the government as a means to help the poor and down trodden has less to do with scripture than the fact it denies a very basic human instinct: a man is prone to work only as much as required. Forget scripture, it makes sense from a purely Darwinian view that any animal is only going to expend sufficient energy to sustain itself.

    And it's compounded by the nearly flawless effect subsidies have on behavior: reward a lab rat with a free nugget every time he does X, and you can take it to the bank X will be accomplished by the rat. Humans are no different. When the government subsidizes baby production, it WILL produce more babies; same ditto for subsidizing illegal aliens. Promise them free stuff if they can escape their Marxist paradise and get here somehow, and they WILL arrive in hoards.

    It's raw instinct and Marxism in all its various manifestations seems oblivious to it. So it is always doomed to fail.
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    Does anybody besides me notice that he always sides with the left during all these arguments / discussions?
    MAGA IS ALIVE AND WELL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stelakh View Post
    Oh, you're back, are you?

    And apparently you're still incapable of reading more than a line or two, or you'd know I put my money, time and effort where my mouth is.

    Why do I have some nerve quoting scripture, pray tell? Since I actually follow the tenets laid out above and I'm not even a Christian? Because I used the Bible to say, "Oh, yes, Jesus DID mandate to his disciples that they go out and help the poor" and I'm correct about it?

    You're going to have to do a lot better than your pathetic attempts here, I'm afraid. Your rank ignorance isn't just showing, it's kicking its legs up and singing show tunes.

    Go back and read what I've said through this entire thread, you obtuse piece of flotsam, then come apologize like a good little puppet.

    And hey, would you mind finding something to call me besides, "Marxist"? I'm bored with that, now. I rather liked the Woodstock one. Want to start referring to me with that? That'd be great. I always enjoy a good laugh.

    And that's all you're good for, isn't it? A laugh.

    Run along now.

    You're done.
    You're a piece of Marxist trash who had a mommy who kept telling you you were better than everybody else when you were growing up .. and I'll wager daddy was nowhere to be found while she kept telling you that.
    MAGA IS ALIVE AND WELL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stelakh View Post
    Oh, you're back, are you?

    And apparently you're still incapable of reading more than a line or two, or you'd know I put my money, time and effort where my mouth is.

    Why do I have some nerve quoting scripture, pray tell? Since I actually follow the tenets laid out above and I'm not even a Christian? Because I used the Bible to say, "Oh, yes, Jesus DID mandate to his disciples that they go out and help the poor" and I'm correct about it?

    You're going to have to do a lot better than your pathetic attempts here, I'm afraid. Your rank ignorance isn't just showing, it's kicking its legs up and singing show tunes.

    Go back and read what I've said through this entire thread, you obtuse piece of flotsam, then come apologize like a good little puppet.

    And hey, would you mind finding something to call me besides, "Marxist"? I'm bored with that, now. I rather liked the Woodstock one. Want to start referring to me with that? That'd be great. I always enjoy a good laugh.

    And that's all you're good for, isn't it? A laugh.

    Run along now.

    You're done.
    Christ preached charity from the heart .. it must begin there. He didn't preach wealth redistribution. According to you, the divine physician that you despise who is always screwing up your plans for a social libertine socialist paradise went to the high priests and appealed for more taxes for the poor.

    This is why the tax collector was the most hated individual in town in ancient Judea and why Christ said he was most in need of salvation. There is a story about this in the Bible in fact. The tax collector was a social outcast, nobody liked him. He took money from the poor and made them poorer.

    And put a capital B in front of Bible, you cultural Marxist know it all with the over protective mother.
    MAGA IS ALIVE AND WELL.

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