Reply With QuoteMore people die from car crashes and irritable bowel syndrome, than die in the iraq war.
The surge is working!
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Military Deaths 1980 to 2006
1980 ...........2,392
1981 ...........2,380
1982 ...........2,319
1983 ...........2.465
1984 ...........1,999
1985 ...........2,252
1986 ...........1,984
1987 ...........1,983
1988 ...........1,819
1989 ...........1,636
1990 ...........1,507
1991 ...........1,787
1992 ...........1,293
1993 ...........1,213
1994 ...........1,075
1995 ...........1,040
1996 .......... 974
1997 ........... 817
1998 ........... 827
1999 ........... 796
2000 ........... 758
2001 ........... 891
2002 ........... 999
2003 ........... 1,228
2004 ........... 1,874
2005 ........... 1,942
2006........... 1,858
http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personne...ath_Rates1.pdf
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More people die from car crashes and irritable bowel syndrome, than die in the iraq war.
The surge is working!
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So regardless of the numbers, only your context matters? Damocles had a point, a good one. He made it.Originally Posted by Cypress
More people die from car crashes and irritable bowel syndrome, than die in the iraq war.
The surge is working!
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What did people die from in 1985?
Are training excersises counted? Maybe it was simply because more people were in the military?
"Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34
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Even if you count them per 100,000 the deaths remain relatively constant. Even during two wars.
Remember, those same accidents that killed those people are still happening...
This is total deaths. If you look at the page you will see the percentage due to accident, etc.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
911 EVERY DAY
Yes, accident rates have dropped by about 1/3rd since 1980.
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While "hostile action" deaths, the obviously more gruesome of the two, obviously pretty much hasn't done anything until 2003, whenever it jumped from 0% to 40%.
You're discounting the deaths of 3000 people due to combat. Shame on you, Damo.
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Year Active Duty Reserve Deaths
1988 2,121,659 72,000 1,819
2004 1,411,287 66,000 1,874
Wow! The Iraq war isn't increasing our military death tolls much at all (only 55 more!)...IF you wantonly ignore the fact that there were more than 716,000 more troops in 1988!
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I'm not discounting anything, I simply gave you data.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
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And only if you attempt to cherry-pick...
1985 ...........2,252
1986 ...........1,984
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
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Of course, I gave nothing but empirical data, nothing about my opinion.
It is amazing how posting the count of deaths is simply assumed to be a review of an opinion. Especially one that I do not hold.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
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The fact is that you PURPOSELY LEFT OUT the other numbers, only the death tolls. That IMPLIES things that are not honest.
I didn't "cherry pick", as you accuse. I simply chose two years that had similar death tolls.
By the way, YOU cherry pick, when you choose 1985. Funny, I see this chart from the same website:
If you add Accidents, Illness, Homicides, and Self inflicted, you get (weirdly enough):
1,985 deaths out of 2,016 total deaths.
Do you seriously want to compare that to how many of the deaths in 2005 were of the same categories?
Face it, that was a lame attempt to make consequences The Iraq War look less than they are.
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Either that, or you really didn't think before you posted.
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By The Way, your title is wrong. It should read "Active Duty Military Deaths"
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True. It should say that, but I wanted it to fit when looking at it on the search page.
The numbers do not imply anything. I gave the link, with all the data. It is interesting to watch the reactions, and the assumptions fly.
It is simply raw data with no opinion supplied.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
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