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    Quote Originally Posted by signalmankenneth View Post



    The Bellamy salute is the hand gesture described by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931) to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored. During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". It was first demonstrated on October 12, 1892 according to Bellamy's published instructions for the "National School Celebration of Columbus Day"
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    "promoted by James B. Upham, a marketer for the magazine, as a campaign to instill the idea of American nationalism by selling flags to public schools and magazines to students"

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    Quote Originally Posted by indago View Post





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    "promoted by James B. Upham, a marketer for the magazine, as a campaign to instill the idea of American nationalism by selling flags to public schools and magazines to students"
    The Bellamy salute is the salute described by Francis Bellamy to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored. During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". During the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazis adopted a salute which had the same form, resulting in controversy over the use of the Bellamy salute in the United States. It was officially replaced by the hand-over-heart salute when Congress amended the Flag Code on December 22, 1942.

    Since certain countries adopted it some 65 years later, what connection are you attempting to make?

    Do you also intend to try and make some kind of comparison to ancient cultures and the Nazi's use of the swastika?
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    The early 20th Century saw a huge movement in nationalism everywhere. The Pledge came out of this. So, too, did the modern high school system. All of the pageantry, honours, customs, and rallies were designed to create the fanatical school spirit that would lead to nationalistic tendencies (the KKK was anti-private schools in this time, because they wanted access to students as well).

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    Since certain countries adopted it some 65 years later, what connection are you attempting to make?
    It was an expansion of signalmankenneth posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Yes; we must eliminate any references to God or the pledge of allegiance and instead worship BIG Government Nanny Statism!!!
    We rejected the notion: "Hail to the King." Why should we now embrace: "Hail to the United States"?

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    I do not believe mandatory pledges are Constitutional. They are especially not constitutional if they include a policy statement about Gods position in the Government.

    Its a small issue, but one would think the small government Republicans would be on the correct side of this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by signalmankenneth View Post
    The Pledge was written by a socialist minister, OMG!

    Francis Julius Bellamy


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I do not believe mandatory pledges are Constitutional. They are especially not constitutional if they include a policy statement about Gods position in the Government.

    Its a small issue, but one would think the small government Republicans would be on the correct side of this issue.
    I don't believe they are either. But it would show where one stands with his level of patriotism. That's why those who participate with the pledge should sort out those who don't, and remind the little communists after class what it means to be American. Problem solved, right there on the schoolyard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I do not believe mandatory pledges are Constitutional. They are especially not constitutional if they include a policy statement about Gods position in the Government.

    Its a small issue, but one would think the small government Republicans would be on the correct side of this issue.
    Where does the Pledge state what God's position in the government is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granule View Post
    I don't believe they are either. But it would show where one stands with his level of patriotism. That's why those who participate with the pledge should sort out those who don't, and remind the little communists after class what it means to be American. Problem solved, right there on the schoolyard.
    I see! Then you, in your "patriotism", supported the government complicity in moving American jobs to foreign lands; our involvement in Iraq; etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granule View Post
    I don't believe they are either. But it would show where one stands with his level of patriotism. That's why those who participate with the pledge should sort out those who don't, and remind the little communists after class what it means to be American. Problem solved, right there on the schoolyard.
    I suspect that one who is brave enough to abstain from an unconstitutional practice is the more patriotic American. Is that what you were saying? Those who abstain will take care of the problem by bullying those who submit to the authority of the Federal Government Fascists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Plunkett View Post
    Where does the Pledge state what God's position in the government is?
    Where it says... "Under God".

    Under God indicates Gods position visa vie the government. Above it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granule View Post
    I don't believe they are either. But it would show where one stands with his level of patriotism. That's why those who participate with the pledge should sort out those who don't, and remind the little communists after class what it means to be American. Problem solved, right there on the schoolyard.

    So, you believe in violence, bullying and intimidation to get people who do not believe that saying "under God" is necessary to be loyal to the USA to conform to your ideologies?

    You know they crucified Jesus because he would not conform. Funny that you do unto others as they did unto Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indago View Post
    It was an expansion of signalmankenneth posting.
    So what point were you trying to make, by making an "expansion" of signalmankenneth's posting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by indago View Post
    We rejected the notion: "Hail to the King." Why should we now embrace: "Hail to the United States"?
    Where do we use "Hail to the United States"?
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