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    Gallup poll shows that about 50 percent of Americans believe the universe is less than 10,000 years old. In other words, about half of America takes Genesis (a hold over myth from the bronze age) more seriously than the vast body of scientific evidence available to mankind.

    George Bush got elected twice. Not only that but about a third of Americans still "strongly" support him.

    We're willing to wage a costly war, yet we're going to wind up cutting funding for children's health care because it's too expensive.

    Feel free to add to the list. You can't start to fix America if you don't identify it's faults.

    Here's what I expect to see immediately:

    Prototypical conservative: You hate America!

    Me: No I don't. I love America.

    Prototypical conservative: If you loved America, you wouldn't criticize it.

    Me: No. The love I have for America is a mature kind of love that one has for a spouse or significant other. You recognize that you each have flaws and that you can work symbiotically to overcome your shortcomings and come out on the other side a stronger individual. The kind of love you have for your country is the kind of love a six-year-old girl has for her mommy. Mommy is always right and anyone who questions mommy is bad. This is an immature kind of love.

    Prototypical conservative: What does prototypical mean?

    So now that we're past that, go ahead and identify what you are embarrassed about with regards to America's shortcomings.

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    Who was it that said:

    "There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America."

    Oh yes, that was Bill Clinton.

    I'll take that view.
    Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
    - -- Aristotle

    Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
    - -- The Buddha

    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
    - -- Aristotle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Who was it that said:

    "There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America."

    Oh yes, that was Bill Clinton.

    I'll take that view.
    I hate America.

    It's a ruined mess filled with BB's, Dixies, and Danos who couldn't tell you what freedom meant if their life depended on it.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermark View Post
    I hate America.
    It's a ruined mess filled with BB's, Dixies, and Danos who couldn't tell you what freedom meant if their life depended on it.


    and we had to fight for your right to say crap like this...God I wish the draft was reinstated....I would love to see waterboy at boot camp...I would pay alot to watch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battleborne View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Watermark View Post
    I hate America.
    It's a ruined mess filled with BB's, Dixies, and Danos who couldn't tell you what freedom meant if their life depended on it.


    and we had to fight for your right to say crap like this...God I wish the draft was reinstated....I would love to see waterboy at boot camp...I would pay alot to watch!
    Yeah, North Vietnam was going to take us over and take away our freedom to call you stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ib1yysguy View Post

    Yeah, North Vietnam was going to take us over and take away our freedom to call you stupid.

    You are the 'stupid' one on this board...wise guy! How quaint for a screen name!
    What you think about any war!..You are all talk...no show!
    Last edited by Battleborne; 10-06-2007 at 11:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battleborne View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Watermark View Post
    I hate America.
    It's a ruined mess filled with BB's, Dixies, and Danos who couldn't tell you what freedom meant if their life depended on it.


    and we had to fight for your right to say crap like this...God I wish the draft was reinstated....I would love to see waterboy at boot camp...I would pay alot to watch!
    Yeah, thanks for taking care of Vietnam for me. I guess now I have to be punished for saying these things. Land of the free after all. Anyone who doesn't like it just needs to be disposed of.

    We have more freedoms than anyone in the world, except for the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Britian, Germany, Norway, Luxembourg, Monaco, Japan, South Korean, Taiwanese... and about thirty others. Gosh, you guys did so much for us, like destroy everything that the founders erronously wanted to include in our nation.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermark View Post
    Yeah, thanks for taking care of Vietnam for me. I guess now I have to be punished for saying these things. Land of the free after all. Anyone who doesn't like it just needs to be disposed of.

    We have more freedoms than anyone in the world, except for the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Britian, Germany, Norway, Luxembourg, Monaco, Japan, South Korean, Taiwanese... and about thirty others. Gosh, you guys did so much for us, like destroy everything that the founders erronously wanted to include in our nation.
    You forgot Poland.

    Oh wait, no, they have a nutty right wing government.

    Sorry, you were right after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermark View Post
    Yeah, thanks for taking care of Vietnam for me. I guess now I have to be punished for saying these things. Land of the free after all. Anyone who doesn't like it just needs to be disposed of.

    We have more freedoms than anyone in the world, except for the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Britian, Germany, Norway, Luxembourg, Monaco, Japan, South Korean, Taiwanese... and about thirty others. Gosh, you guys did so much for us, like destroy everything that the founders erronously wanted to include in our nation.


    If this is how you really feel just pack your shit and get waterboy!...I must warn you though that the countries you listed would not tolerate your nonsense...they would actually probably denie your visa to stay...unless you signed their manifesto!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermark View Post
    Yeah, thanks for taking care of Vietnam for me. I guess now I have to be punished for saying these things. Land of the free after all. Anyone who doesn't like it just needs to be disposed of.

    We have more freedoms than anyone in the world, except for the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Britian, Germany, Norway, Luxembourg, Monaco, Japan, South Korean, Taiwanese... and about thirty others. Gosh, you guys did so much for us, like destroy everything that the founders erronously wanted to include in our nation.

    We're still the most free. Maybe you're equating public handouts with freedom?

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    Easy way to dodge, but that is a great quote. Sure beats, "Fool me once... uh.. uh shame on... you? Fool me twice... uh... uh cant get fooled again!"

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    Well, I was going to pull out a Reagan quote, but I figured I'd use somebody that you would actually listen to.
    Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
    - -- Aristotle

    Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
    - -- The Buddha

    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
    - -- Aristotle

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    Or you could actually address the post, potentially, and list some things you think are wrong with America that could be improved upon. Not just little things. I mean the things that really make you cringe to think about.

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    I don't want to think that heavily at this time of the night on a Friday. You'll just have to hold your horses.
    Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
    - -- Aristotle

    Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
    - -- The Buddha

    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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    And P.S. Why do you hate America?

    Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
    - -- Aristotle

    Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
    - -- The Buddha

    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
    - -- Aristotle

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