is this the end of public schools in la

[I Love America]

Excellent post backed by facts. I love talktoaction it's a great resource. Usually I'm the only one I know who reads there.

Interesting that libtards are finally realizing OWEbuttfucker can lose. I love it

[Threedee]

It's hilarious to see liberals standing up for rich kids on this one.

[Howey]

These are PUBLIC schools, not union schools and not government schools.

There is no accountability. The schools will be allowed to teach whatever they want, including religious teachings. That is not allowed in our public schools. Incidentally, one of the best school systems out there is a government school system taught fully by union teachers. I know, because I attended it.

One of the most successful school systems in the U.S. is not in an exclusive suburb in a wealthy state. Instead, it is scattered across the country and the world on U.S. military bases. Strategic planning, a conviction that all children can learn, and community support are among the reasons for the systems success. Included: Tips for improving school systems from the Department of Defense Education Activity.

A school system with a 35 percent annual student mobility rate, with half of its students living at the poverty line, with most of their parents having only a high school education -- with National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) scores among the highest in the U.S.? It sounds more like an ambitious goal than an actual district profile.

But such a system does exist; only it exists where few people think to look for it -- in the United States military.

As I stated before, this is what matters:

The high student mobility rate forced DoDEA administrators to institute within the system a uniform curriculum and standards-based instruction, so teachers know what material students have covered when they arrive.

and the teachers...

Teachers also were happy working in the DoDEA schools, citing high pay, ample instructional supplies, plentiful professional development, and few student behavior problems, Owens said.

In talking to teachers, they are very encouraged and appreciative of the high-level of training they receive and continue to receive, she said. There are many, many opportunities for professional growth, and they have all the [classroom] resources they need. They are treated like professionals by administrators, parents, and the military.

That last sentence is important in today's day of demonizing our educators.

It's hilarious to see liberals standing up for rich kids on this one.

Please explain.

[SmarterthanYou]

There is no accountability. The schools will be allowed to teach whatever they want, including religious teachings. That is not allowed in our public schools. Incidentally, one of the best school systems out there is a government school system taught fully by union teachers. I know, because I attended it.

are you really that naive that you can't tell the difference between a public educational facility that has to take in students of all intellect and a federal institution that tests all of it's incoming students? I attended a DoD school as well, with some of the more brilliant minds of high school graduates anywhere. and a private school can have all the prayer and religious teachings in it. If a parent doesn't want their kid to deal with that, don't pay to send your kid there.

As I stated before, this is what matters:
The high student mobility rate forced DoDEA administrators to institute within the system a uniform curriculum and standards-based instruction, so teachers know what material students have covered when they arrive.



and the teachers...

Teachers also were happy working in the DoDEA schools, citing high pay, ample instructional supplies, plentiful professional development, and few student behavior problems, Owens said.

In talking to teachers, they are very encouraged and appreciative of the high-level of training they receive and continue to receive, she said. There are many, many opportunities for professional growth, and they have all the [classroom] resources they need. They are treated like professionals by administrators, parents, and the military.

That last sentence is important in today's day of demonizing our educators.

have you ever had the terms juvenile and adult explained to you? or what professionalism is? to pretend that all public schools have to do is treat them like military education centers is beyond the realm of fantasy.

[Howey]

are you really that naive that you can't tell the difference between a public educational facility that has to take in students of all intellect and a federal institution that tests all of it's incoming students?

False. DoD schools have to accept all the children of military and civilian employees overseas, regardless of intellect.

I attended a DoD school as well, with some of the more brilliant minds of high school graduates anywhere.

Thank you for agreeing that I truly am smarter than you. As far as your claim that you attended DoD schools, my preceding statement proves you are a liar.

[PostmodernProphet]

is it the end of public schools in LA because they all suck so bad no one in their right mind would keep sending their kids there?......

[cawacko]

When you have money it is a lot easier to make the religious indoctrination argument and get other peolpe with money and a similar mindset to support it. Telling that to a family without money and therefore no options to move to a different school district away from a failing school isn't the same. "Your child should stay in his failing school because I do not believe he should have the option to go elsewhere because that elsewhere may teach something religious I don't like".

Again, vouchers are no panacea for our educational challenges. But what they do offer is for the opportunities for some families to have their child have a better option to improve themselves.

[SmarterthanYou]

False. DoD schools have to accept all the children of military and civilian employees overseas, regardless of intellect.



Thank you for agreeing that I truly am smarter than you. As far as your claim that you attended DoD schools, my preceding statement proves you are a liar.

I see the issue now. you don't know how to speak so that people can understand you.

[PostmodernProphet]

more kids get beaten and raped by Catholic priests and Christian preachers

??....actually, I suspect that the majority of beaten and raped children are the victims of their parents....but far be it from me to require a liberal to tell the truth.....

[Threedee]

There are plenty of secular private schools. There is Lakeside School in north Seattle (of Bill Gates & Paul Allen fame), for example, although it costs a fortune to attend. Down in Tacoma there's Charles Wright Academy.

[PostmodernProphet]

. Our teachers are among the worst paid in the world.

you do know you're lying about this, right?........

[cawacko]

you do know you're lying about this, right?........

He did mention teachers should earn a living wage. (I should ask Howey this directly even though I responded to PP's post) What public school teacher doesn't earn a 'living wage' today? Obviously in California teachers probably earn more than other states but I know here they earn in the $60k to $70k range which certainly doesn't make one rich but is well above any definition of 'living wage'.

[PostmodernProphet]

Howie claims the best school system is the DoD school system.....he also says the problem with our public school system is that our teachers are among the worst paid in the world.....interestingly I found this....

The average salary in
DOD overseas schools for school year 2000-01 was $47,460, while the
national average for the same year was $43,250. On a comparative basis,
the average DOD overseas teacher’s salary ranked the twelfth highest
among average teacher salaries in the 50 states and the District of
Columbia for school year 2000-01. (See table 3.)

http://www.gao.gov/assets/240/236198.pdf

I wonder why the best school system pays nearly the same per year as the "worst in the world"....