Why we are 100% screwed as a country

[gui1tars]

WOW I have only been here a week or so and I have my first official stalker. Go hump some body else's leg. Your obsession with me is getting sorta creepy. It isn't that kind of message board. Know what I mean?

Homoerotic verbage excite you? I understand there are thousands of internet sites that would love to have you even if only as their guest!!!!!

[gui1tars]

Imagine if the folks had just evacuated then they wouldn't have been stranded in the SuperDome and the convention center. Just sayin.

Even in the very best of circumstances that number of people could not have been completely evacuated in time. That's a fact, nofacts.

[WinterBorn]

Even in the very best of circumstances that number of people could not have been completely evacuated in time. That's a fact, nofacts.

Had the warnings not been ignored and assistance sought, there would have been significantly fewer people stranded in Nawlins. Which could have made a huge difference.

[gui1tars]

Had the warnings not been ignored and assistance sought, there would have been significantly fewer people stranded in Nawlins. Which could have made a huge difference.

Huge ifs, WinterBorn. And shallow thinking. I suppose all those people just committed suicide, eh? Did you see my comment about the disparities in population and facilities between disaster locations? Not to mention that over 25% of New Orleans adults did not drive and had no means of transportation. Lots of things could have happened differently but the failures of the feds to properly respond is unforgivable in my very best estimation.

[USFREEDOM911]

Black/white generalities and stereotypes are easiest for primitive thinkers.

That does explain why Liberal moonbats use them so often.

[WinterBorn]

Huge ifs, WinterBorn. And shallow thinking. I suppose all those people just committed suicide, eh? Did you see my comment about the disparities in population and facilities between disaster locations? Not to mention that over 25% of New Orleans adults did not drive and had no means of transportation. Lots of things could have happened differently but the failures of the feds to properly respond is unforgivable in my very best estimation.

I have a sneaking suspicion that your inability to forgive has more to do with political parties than actual facts. After all, you are perfectly willing to convict Bush based on huge ifs.

The evacuation before the storm is the responsibility of the state and local gov'ts. If they need assistance there are things the feds can do. But the state and local gov't monumental failures to evacuate the poor and those with mobility issues is ignored in favor of blaming Bush. And that is laughable.

Yes, I saw your comments about the differences in the populations and the facilities. Since the state and local gov'ts ignored those issues, your wanting to blame Bush is amusing.

The "suicide" comment is nothing but nonsense. Thanks for avoiding the discussion and going straight for inflamatory comments and a strawman argument.

[USFREEDOM911]

OK. Let’s spend a few minutes and think this through. We’ll start with msg #12 where you wrote,


In msg. #13 you wrote,

If the armed services personnel were here instead of in Afghanistan and Iraq and the dozens of other countries where there are bases there would have been plenty of help. Did you know there is a total of 1,414,149 active duty military personnel worldwide? http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personne...ry/hst1112.pdf

Imagine if 250,000 of them were tasked with helping Katrina victims. Imagine 250,000 trained personnel along with military equipment such as helicopters and boats were available. Imagine 250,000 strong, healthy, intelligent men and women helping in the relocation. Just imagine.

Now, let’s get back to the debt. America can grow enough food for US citizens as the US exports some (food, not citizens). Regardless of whether a dollar is worth a dollar or is worth 2 cents that doesn’t stop crops from growing. It doesn’t stop clothing factories from making clothes.

If a major crisis or disaster occurs it will be a manufactured one because there are enough basic supplies. Being prepared for a small, limited disaster is fine. Maybe food and water for a week. A larger crisis/disaster can be addressed if the majority of military personnel are home where they belong. A meteor strike, like in the movies, then all bets are off. Besides, who would want to live in what would be a “nuclear winter”?

So, put your fears to rest. Dec 21, 2012 is just around the corner. What has occupied my thoughts lately is what will happen to YouTube and all those 2012 videos. Talk about needing a massive defrag.

Imagine 250,000 of them stationed along the Mexican border, making sure that none of the deportees are able to return.

[gui1tars]

I have a sneaking suspicion that your inability to forgive has more to do with political parties than actual facts. After all, you are perfectly willing to convict Bush based on huge ifs.

The evacuation before the storm is the responsibility of the state and local gov'ts. If they need assistance there are things the feds can do. But the state and local gov't monumental failures to evacuate the poor and those with mobility issues is ignored in favor of blaming Bush. And that is laughable.

Yes, I saw your comments about the differences in the populations and the facilities. Since the state and local gov'ts ignored those issues, your wanting to blame Bush is amusing.

The "suicide" comment is nothing but nonsense. Thanks for avoiding the discussion and going straight for inflamatory comments and a strawman argument.

Nothing inflammatory or strawman meant, WinterBorn. Why do you think that? And I am not avoiding the discussion. I am contributing the same as you even though you seem to be getting tired and testy. I've seen you in that condition before. And I don't only blame gwb for anything and never have. The mistakes and derelictions of duties here are enormous and widespread and I have said that. But the overall and largest mistakes and derelictions are spot on the failures in the responsibilities of the feds for credible assistance in a called national disaster. It could have just as well been Clinton or even Obama but it wasn't. I would be just as pissed about it any way you want to look at it.

[China Apologist]

As it stands today, our federal gobblement is anywhere from $65 to 100 trillion in debt when you consider the unfunded liabilities for Socialist inSecurity and Mediscam. For those who do not understand what unfunded liabilities mean. It essentially means that the federal gobblement would need to have $65-100 trillion sitting in the bank TODAY to cover all of the debts that will come due over the ensuing years as the baby boomers begin to suck us dry.

To give you a little context on what that actually means, there is about $70 trillion of GDP in the entire world. That would mean the US of A would have to confiscate the entire wealth of the entire world just to cover its debts.

It is a matter of math plain and simple and no amount of political posturing on either side will change it. So while the political class has you all hot and bothered over whether to increase taxes on the top 2% just know that whether they do or don't, it doesn't matter because either way we are fucked.

You are an ignorant fool.

[China Apologist]

Ok, suppose your original supposition is true, and we are 100% screwed? What now? Shall we have a mass suicide? Shall we all just stop what we are doing?

Its all well and good to proclaim we are all screwed, but it really accomplishes nothing.

If people were stupid enough to lend us 70 trillion dollars, they fully deserve the inevitable default when we can't pay. This would've been a tremendously positive financial move for the united states.

[China Apologist]

The math is the math as long as you are talking about paying off the entire debt at one time. But that is not how it works, is it? But if we look at reducing the deficit and paying on the debt of a few decades, it doesn't seem as scary and not as useful to alarmists and sensationalists.

I am one of those who hopes for the best and prepares for the worst. Perhaps getting to know people before you make blanket statements would help.

As for the Weimar Republic, that was hardly a doomsday situation now was it? It lasted what, 10 or 12 years? Not quite a survivalist situation overall.

The hyperinflation in the Weimar republic didn't damage nearly as bad as the deflation in the great depression.

[gui1tars]

Yes, imagine the president sending in federal troops without a request from the governor? The fact that they are not trained for such work could have compounded the problem, as Billy pointed out.

When the president declares it a national disaster or emergency it is then their lead and responsibility to perform as necessary to absolve or lessen the severity as much as possible and that includes securing the safety and well being of the citizens affected. Otherwise what is the point of the declaration?

[China Apologist]

Except 2/3 of Germans DIDN'T accept him. He lost both elections he was in.

Well, his ~40% of the vote put the NSDAP in first place, and he had conservative allies in the DNVP who would support his government as well. However, it's true that he never got truthfully elected in an election that didn't involve coercion.

[China Apologist]

Germany has only itself to blame. Those stupid Weimar officials decided to stick-it to the WWI victors by deliberately defaulting on its debts. Immediately after the Armistice, Germany was not in an economic crisis the way the allies were, and its currency was not at risk for problems such as inflation well into 1921 (which is when the global economy began to recover). That year, the German government began to deliberately tank its own currency by defauting on its debt payments, and in 1922 the Germany economy had completely fallen apart.

Bunch of stubbord retards.

The Treaty of Versailles stipulated that the allies had to be paid back in gold. The hyperinflation wasn't an attempt to default on their debts, as that would be entirely ineffective.

[gui1tars]

If people were stupid enough to lend us 70 trillion dollars, they fully deserve the inevitable default when we can't pay. This would've been a tremendously positive financial move for the united states.

Uh oh. Now you're being the ignorant fool.