SCOTUS deals biggest blow to Liberalism in 100 years!

[Darla]

19 out of 21 judicial scholars said it was legal

I wonder if the remaining 3 just haven't had a chance to "really look at it yet"? Because if that's the case, one of them might be Damo.

[Canceled]

Oh, my bad, I thought this was a direct quote from your opening post, "Never again, can we have Liberals trot out a liberal idea and cite the commerce clause as their basis for authority."

That sure sounds like a claim that the Commerce Clause was overturned.

Yes, your Liberal understanding and interpretation of the commerce clause is HISTORY!

That's what I am saying.

[Canceled]

To Dixie's credit, he actually made some decent points. It established the precedent that the Federal government cannot use the CC to do whatever the fuck they want. It may also make it easier to repeal. If Republicans can simply repeal the tax, the whole POS law will fall apart.

BINGO!

And the net result? We get rid of Obamacare AND restrict future Congresses from implementing Federal expansion on their claims of 'commerce clause' protection.

WIN/WIN!

[Mott the Hoople]

Oncelor, you were wrong. It's only 6 paragraphs,

He was spot on about the divine comedy part though. LOL

[Owl in Now]

You correct, that wouldn't have happened. The fact that you think it should have happened if logic applied, because we live in a black and white world, is stunning to me. It would have been a huge defeat for Liberals if Obamacare had been struck down, no doubt. But if it had been struck down and the commerce clause left ambiguous as it has been the past 100 years, it wouldn't have been a good thing. It is much better, from a constitutional constructionist view, that the commerce clause was defined and limited here.

What it means is, Liberals can no longer expand government by running to the commerce clause. That ended today with this ruling. IF such expansions happen in the future, they can only happen as a TAX, which the SCOTUS reaffirmed the Federal government's right to levy. If we want to pass things like Obamacare, we can't call it something other than a tax, and we can't pay for it with Medicare or any other money the people have established for other purposes. For the party who claims to not want tax increases for the middle class, this is particularly troubling, no? For the party opposed to ANY increase in tax and smaller government, this is kind of a feather in the cap, is it not?

cool. so everything is the same as it was before, we've just called it something else. and you're happy about that?

[Mott the Hoople]

Cantor claims the House still plans to repeal Obamacare, what, if anything, do they plan to replace it with?

There just blowing smoke. It's empty rhetoric. Republicans would need complete control of our government to repeal it. They would need to have control of the White house, the house of reps and 60 seats in the senate. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[Owl in Now]

BINGO!

And the net result? We get rid of Obamacare AND restrict future Congresses from implementing Federal expansion on their claims of 'commerce clause' protection.

WIN/WIN!

yeah they can't use the commerce clause for whatever the fuck they want. they'll just use tax law for whatever the fuck they want.

[Rana]

There just blowing smoke. It's empty rhetoric. Republicans would need complete control of our government to repeal it. They would need to have control of the White house, the house of reps and 60 seats in the senate. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

True, but Romney said today, repeal it, so we can replace it, what does that mean?

[Mott the Hoople]

To Dixie's credit, he actually made some decent points. It established the precedent that the Federal government cannot use the CC to do whatever the fuck they want. It may also make it easier to repeal. If Republicans can simply repeal the tax, the whole POS law will fall apart.

Good luck with that. You've lost SCOTUS on the issue so You'll need to gain the White House, The House of Reps and gain 60 seats in the Senate. In other words, I wouldn't hold your breath if I was you.

[Mott the Hoople]

True, but Romney said today, repeal it, so we can replace it, what does that mean?

Nothing and I bet he sure as hell wont' answer that question either.

[LadyT]

LOL, yeah, a big blow to liberals.

Or at least 1/3 of them.

[Jarod]

LOL, yeah, a big blow to liberals.

Or at least 1/3 of them.

George W. Bush wispered it to him in the shower, or was that Jesus he imagined he was showering with?

[Canceled]

yeah they can't use the commerce clause for whatever the fuck they want. they'll just use tax law for whatever the fuck they want.

And I think the court appropriately ruled Congress should have the ability to do.

That's FINE! Obamacare would have NEVER passed, had it been presented as this huge unacceptable tax increase on everyone! It won't survive as such, either. The ONLY way they managed to get this monstrosity passed in Congress, was to HIDE behind the commerce clause, and steal money from Medicare to make it appear they weren't spending money to do it. The SCOTUS just put an abrupt END to that, forever! From this day forward, things like Obamacare, will have to stand on the merit of being a new tax, and will have to be paid for accordingly. This is a tremendous victory for constitutional constructionists.

[Onceler]

And I think the court appropriately ruled Congress should have the ability to do.

That's FINE! Obamacare would have NEVER passed, had it been presented as this huge unacceptable tax increase on everyone! It won't survive as such, either. The ONLY way they managed to get this monstrosity passed in Congress, was to HIDE behind the commerce clause, and steal money from Medicare to make it appear they weren't spending money to do it. The SCOTUS just put an abrupt END to that, forever! From this day forward, things like Obamacare, will have to stand on the merit of being a new tax, and will have to be paid for accordingly. This is a tremendous victory for constitutional constructionists.

Yes, Virginia - it IS possible to spin anything.

Dix, someone just ran into my car (true story); can you tell me how this was a win for me today? I need to be comforted.

[Jarod]

Yes, Virginia - it IS possible to spin anything.

Dix, someone just ran into my car (true story); can you tell me how this was a win for me today? I need to be comforted.

Also have him call Jan Brewer and tell her how she won big in Arazona reciently.