Court Upholds the Meat of Arizona Immigration Law...

[USFREEDOM911]

Freedom forgets that I have him on ignore, the site reference was for Damo.

And yet you knew I responded, without anyone questioning me!!


Which still doesn't explain what your inclusion has to do with SB 1070.

[USFREEDOM911]

Can you read?

Then explain the connection to SB 1070 being upheld, except for the parts that are the responsibliity of the feds?

[christiefan915]

I did the research, you need to catch up, also.
http://fronteralist.org/2012/06/06/a...zona-republic/

http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...ax-border.html

http://isitsafetotraveltomexico.com/

It is another scare tactic by politicians to advance their agenda.

Remember Jan Brewer saying "law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert either buried or just lying out there that have been beheaded."



That came as surprising news to Dr. Eric Peters, deputy chief medical examiner for Pima County, which has the largest border with Mexico of any county in Arizona.

"We probably have handled the most deaths from border crossings," Peters told PolitiFact. "We have had approximately 1,700 deaths in the last 10 years. We haven't had a single death due to a beheading or having a beheading associated with it."

The vast majority of deaths -- more than 95 percent, he said -- were due to exposure to the elements, either extreme heat in the summer or extreme cold in the winter.

The remainder of deaths, less than 5 percent, were "generally related to the process of human smuggling," Peters said. For example, he said, passengers who are killed when a smuggler tries to put too many people in a van and the van rolls or is involved in an accident.

"It's exceedingly rare for the deaths to have anything to do with any type of violence at all, and certainly no beheadings," Peters said.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...rizona-desert/

[Damocles]

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/val...beu_blaste.php

Ah. I see, so nothing about the kidnapping? And I just drew up one, apparently it was the wrong one to pick, but that happens when you grab the first thing on google sometimes.

Are you really saying that nobody in Arizona was killed by drug cartels because this one wasn't?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...cout02-ON.html

Here's one where the drug cartel got theirs... but more evidence that it is a problem in Arizona. Vigilantism, perhaps...

http://ppjg.me/2010/07/11/mexican-dr...n-retaliation/

here's another:

http://www.examiner.com/article/behe...an-drug-cartel

Here's a shootout just over the border:



And I notice you didn't comment about the fact that the cartels directly threatened Arizona police:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mexican-dru...1#.T-lNk_XNlOg

[Althea]

Ah. I see, so nothing about the kidnapping? And I just drew up one, apparently it was the wrong one to pick, but that happens when you grab the first thing on google sometimes.

Are you really saying that nobody in Arizona was killed by drug cartels because this one wasn't?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...cout02-ON.html

Here's one where the drug cartel got theirs... but more evidence that it is a problem in Arizona. Vigilantism, perhaps...

http://ppjg.me/2010/07/11/mexican-dr...n-retaliation/

here's another:

http://www.examiner.com/article/behe...an-drug-cartel

Here's a shootout just over the border:



And I notice you didn't comment about the fact that the cartels directly threatened Arizona police:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mexican-dru...1#.T-lNk_XNlOg

This has nothing to do with cartels.

Typically, they inhabit state lands in order to grow weed. Hikers tend to stumble upon an armed guard, and are typically told to leave the area.....

Worst case, they meet no guard, and actually stumble upon the grow.

None of these growers/smugglers are driving around Arizona, getting stopped by cops.

[annata]

Yeah, which has been greatly exaggerated. Make drugs legal, that will help more than this harrassment.

LMAO> why don't you call DoJ ( Holder might be busy, so wait a bit) and ask Mr. War on Medical Marijuana( Obama) to stop it? That will "stop the harrasment " of medically needed patients.
Start there, you're not going to get legalization, not in our sczhiophrenic society that gobbles down pills, but won't allow proven cannibinoids to be grown, and distributed. Obama is going after BOTH the growers, and even the dispensaries by RICO ( seizure of even the land and property, and conspiracy).

Maybe start there, ask him to keep his word -which is rare for him to do so.

[annata]

I'm wondering if some Constitutional scholar will find a way to apply Article IV Section 4 of the US Constitution in such a lawsuit.

great point.

Section 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence

Az. wouln't be doing this if the Fed's -who claim the right to enforce immigration and laws pertaining would do their job.
DC is only interested in aquiring powers, not actually doing anything, but maintaining those powers.

I lay most of the blame on Congress, although Obama "promised" Comprehensive Imigration Reform" in his first 2 years.
He doesn't sully his hands working with Congress, can't even lead his party. He's on a mission to cling to power -all he really cares about.

[Rana]

LMAO> why don't you call DoJ ( Holder might be busy, so wait a bit) and ask Mr. War on Medical Marijuana( Obama) to stop it? That will "stop the harrasment " of medically needed patients.
Start there, you're not going to get legalization, not in our sczhiophrenic society that gobbles down pills, but won't allow proven cannibinoids to be grown, and distributed. Obama is going after BOTH the growers, and even the dispensaries by RICO ( seizure of even the land and property, and conspiracy).

Maybe start there, ask him to keep his word -which is rare for him to do so.

One of my greater disappointments with this President.

[Rana]

This has nothing to do with cartels.

Typically, they inhabit state lands in order to grow weed. Hikers tend to stumble upon an armed guard, and are typically told to leave the area.....

Worst case, they meet no guard, and actually stumble upon the grow.

None of these growers/smugglers are driving around Arizona, getting stopped by cops.

There are rival gangs in Alaska and people killed over drug deals gone bad in Anchorage all the time. I said "exaggerated" because the drug cartel is not moving across the border and killing innocent people. It sounds like most of the killings were drug deals gone bad. The rancher being the exception, but like you said, he might have just shown up at the wrong place at the wrong time. It happens all over the US and involves US. Citizens killing each other more than foreign druggies running across the border and declaring war on us.

Now US citizens going to border towns, need to be on high alert, although the rest of Mexico is relatively safe, the usual precautions still need to be taken.

[Damocles]

This has nothing to do with cartels.

Typically, they inhabit state lands in order to grow weed. Hikers tend to stumble upon an armed guard, and are typically told to leave the area.....

Worst case, they meet no guard, and actually stumble upon the grow.

None of these growers/smugglers are driving around Arizona, getting stopped by cops.

Which doesn't change anything I have posted.

Your assertion is that Arizona has no significant issues with illegal immigrants or drug cartels. You show nothing to prove they do not you just say "pish" to clear indication of significant issues. This isn't an argument, it is a simple admission.

[Damocles]

There are rival gangs in Alaska and people killed over drug deals gone bad in Anchorage all the time. I said "exaggerated" because the drug cartel is not moving across the border and killing innocent people. It sounds like most of the killings were drug deals gone bad. The rancher being the exception, but like you said, he might have just shown up at the wrong place at the wrong time. It happens all over the US and involves US. Citizens killing each other more than foreign druggies running across the border and declaring war on us.

Now US citizens going to border towns, need to be on high alert, although the rest of Mexico is relatively safe, the usual precautions still need to be taken.

No, they force immigrants to become mules, and they are definitely waging a war on and near the border of Arizona killing agents and cops. I posted a few stories about it. Ignoring the issue and trying to say it isn't important because only a "few" have been murdered by the cartels in Arizona is ridiculous.

And this simply ignores and says nothing about other significant issues with illegal immigration within Arizona.

[Damocles]

great point.


Az. wouln't be doing this if the Fed's -who claim the right to enforce immigration and laws pertaining would do their job.
DC is only interested in aquiring powers, not actually doing anything, but maintaining those powers.

I lay most of the blame on Congress, although Obama "promised" Comprehensive Imigration Reform" in his first 2 years.
He doesn't sully his hands working with Congress, can't even lead his party. He's on a mission to cling to power -all he really cares about.

They don't get to pick and choose which state to apply the law in, removing "agreements" with Feds that other states can have because they find one law to be inconvenient. It is very true that Arizona wouldn't be doing this if there was effective enforcement by the Feds of laws already on the books. It is unfortunate that we've had ineffective leadership in this arena for so long. I agree with Marco Rubio, we need more than a clear election-year desperate attempt to buy support.

[Althea]

No, they force immigrants to become mules, and they are definitely waging a war on and near the border of Arizona killing agents and cops. I posted a few stories about it. Ignoring the issue and trying to say it isn't important because only a "few" have been murdered by the cartels in Arizona is ridiculous.

And this simply ignores and says nothing about other significant issues with illegal immigration within Arizona.

"Papers Please" has nothing to do with border killings.


It has to do with ridding Arizona of hard working illegals, so that the Chinese can continue to destroy our solar industry w/Brewer's help.