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    Default Homeowner association trying to prevent solar energy???

    This guy wants to put up some solar panels and the home owners association is against it because it is an eye sore to the community????LOL I guess they have stocks in oil!!!!!

    I'm surprised they allowed satellite dishes!

    What a sad day in America. How a small group of idiots try to prevent economic progress! Solar energy is the future!

    http://news.yahoo.com/solar-panels-c...HRlc3QD;_ylv=3

    It's a lesson Angel and David Dobs discovered when their homeowners association north of Atlanta denied their request to install solar panels on their roof. Neighborhood officials said the panels would look out of place and might lower home values in a community that regulates details as fine as the coloring of roof tiles, the planting of trees and the storage of trash cans.

    "It's like living under communism — someone gets to dictate every possible thing you do," David Dobs said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiseones2cents View Post
    This guy wants to put up some solar panels and the home owners association is against it because it is an eye sore to the community????LOL I guess they have stocks in oil!!!!!

    I'm surprised they allowed satellite dishes!

    What a sad day in America. How a small group of idiots try to prevent economic progress! Solar energy is the future!

    http://news.yahoo.com/solar-panels-c...HRlc3QD;_ylv=3

    It's a lesson Angel and David Dobs discovered when their homeowners association north of Atlanta denied their request to install solar panels on their roof. Neighborhood officials said the panels would look out of place and might lower home values in a community that regulates details as fine as the coloring of roof tiles, the planting of trees and the storage of trash cans.

    "It's like living under communism — someone gets to dictate every possible thing you do," David Dobs said.
    That's right. Perhaps the Jews control this HOA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Jefferson View Post
    That's right. Perhaps the Jews control this HOA.
    Its obvious, that who ever it is, has oil interests. I don't see how they can have the authority to prevent them from installing the panels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiseones2cents View Post
    Its obvious, that who ever it is, has oil interests. I don't see how they can have the authority to prevent them from installing the panels.
    Yes, it must be oil. Its inconcievable that the largest power source, COAL, would be suspected. Or that damned NUCLEAR power. Perhaps they're ultra hippies and feel that the production of solar panels (which requires a great deal of oil interestingly) is too damaging and will only accept the radically ineffeciant WIND power option.

    Or maybe the real reason is the same for EVERY HOA. They're a bunch of raggedy dicks and they think it will look ugly or untraditional or whatever. No, that can't possibly be it. Not enough tin foil and jews to be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Jefferson View Post
    Yes, it must be oil. Its inconcievable that the largest power source, COAL, would be suspected. Or that damned NUCLEAR power. Perhaps they're ultra hippies and feel that the production of solar panels (which requires a great deal of oil interestingly) is too damaging and will only accept the radically ineffeciant WIND power option.

    Or maybe the real reason is the same for EVERY HOA. They're a bunch of raggedy dicks and they think it will look ugly or untraditional or whatever. No, that can't possibly be it. Not enough tin foil and jews to be true.
    OK. I should have stated fossil fuels instead of oil! Who cares if it needs oil to produce. once produced, no oil is required. That's like the people that state that oil is needed to make electric batteries.lol Once they are made they are no longer required. A gasoline guzzler needs to continually burn gasoline.

    Ugly, nontraditional? Since when is it their job to decide these things?Nahhhhhhhh. If anything, if everyone got panels it would make home prices go UP! I think they are trying to prevent solar progress.

    What is all this nonsense about the Jews? Did I mention Jews? Even though my guess is that the Germans(and British ofd german descent) and Jews seem to be the major players in the oil business. NOW you can talk about Jews!

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    Ain't America Great.....

    "Graham said that if people don't like the rules, they are free to buy elsewhere"



    :lol:

    Looks like most of the slow down in California is caused by the environmental groups, that are suing just about every new solar farm planned.

    Just weeks after regulators approved the last of nine multibillion-dollar solar thermal power plants to be built in the Southern California desert, a storm of lawsuits and the resurgence of an older solar technology are clouding the future of the nascent industry. The litigation, which seeks to block construction of five of the solar thermal projects, underscores the growing risks of building large-scale renewable energy plants in environmentally delicate areas. On Jan. 25, for instance, Solar Millennium withdrew its 16-month-old license application for a 250-megawatt solar station called Ridgecrest, citing regulators’ concerns over the project’s impact on the Mohave ground squirrel.

    At peak output, the five licensed solar thermal projects being challenged would power more than two million homes, create thousands of construction jobs and help the state meet aggressive renewable energy mandates. The projects are backed by California’s biggest utilities, top state officials and the Obama administration.

    But conservation, labor and American Indian groups are challenging the projects on environmental grounds. The lawsuits, coupled with a broad plunge in prices for energy from competing power sources, threaten the ability of developers to secure expiring federal loan guarantees and private financing to establish the projects. Only one developer so far, BrightSource Energy, has obtained a loan guarantee and begun construction.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/24/bu...gewanted=print


    Looks like they won one....

    California's supreme court refused to consider a lawsuit filed by an influential environmental group seeking to delay construction of a solar plant because it might harm rare plant and animal species.

    The state supreme court said it would not review the Sierra Club's complaint against the Calico Solar Project -- one of a string of lawsuits accusing solar power plant projects across the largest U.S. state of harming the environment.

    The court offered no explanation. In its complaint, America's oldest environmental organization argued to the courts that the California Energy Commission had approved the Calico project improperly, failing to take into account potential harm to native flora and fauna.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...73D6TY20110414

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    Quote Originally Posted by webbway View Post
    Ain't America Great.....

    "Graham said that if people don't like the rules, they are free to buy elsewhere"



    :lol:

    Looks like most of the slow down in California is caused by the environmental groups, that are suing just about every new solar farm planned.

    Just weeks after regulators approved the last of nine multibillion-dollar solar thermal power plants to be built in the Southern California desert, a storm of lawsuits and the resurgence of an older solar technology are clouding the future of the nascent industry. The litigation, which seeks to block construction of five of the solar thermal projects, underscores the growing risks of building large-scale renewable energy plants in environmentally delicate areas. On Jan. 25, for instance, Solar Millennium withdrew its 16-month-old license application for a 250-megawatt solar station called Ridgecrest, citing regulators’ concerns over the project’s impact on the Mohave ground squirrel.

    At peak output, the five licensed solar thermal projects being challenged would power more than two million homes, create thousands of construction jobs and help the state meet aggressive renewable energy mandates. The projects are backed by California’s biggest utilities, top state officials and the Obama administration.

    But conservation, labor and American Indian groups are challenging the projects on environmental grounds. The lawsuits, coupled with a broad plunge in prices for energy from competing power sources, threaten the ability of developers to secure expiring federal loan guarantees and private financing to establish the projects. Only one developer so far, BrightSource Energy, has obtained a loan guarantee and begun construction.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/24/bu...gewanted=print


    Looks like they won one....

    California's supreme court refused to consider a lawsuit filed by an influential environmental group seeking to delay construction of a solar plant because it might harm rare plant and animal species.

    The state supreme court said it would not review the Sierra Club's complaint against the Calico Solar Project -- one of a string of lawsuits accusing solar power plant projects across the largest U.S. state of harming the environment.

    The court offered no explanation. In its complaint, America's oldest environmental organization argued to the courts that the California Energy Commission had approved the Calico project improperly, failing to take into account potential harm to native flora and fauna.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...73D6TY20110414
    I've said this before. Some times it seems like the environmental groups and the oil company are on the same team. They play good cop, bad cop. The environmentalists prevent drilling and the oil guys get to jack prices up. Not that they wouldn't anyways. It just gives them the perfect scape goat.

    Heck I'm surprised they don't complain we build homes on squirrel lands!

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    Quote Originally Posted by webbway View Post
    California's supreme court refused to consider a lawsuit filed by an influential environmental group seeking to delay construction of a solar plant because it might harm rare plant and animal species.

    The state supreme court said it would not review the Sierra Club's complaint against the Calico Solar Project -- one of a string of lawsuits accusing solar power plant projects across the largest U.S. state of harming the environment.

    The court offered no explanation. In its complaint, America's oldest environmental organization argued to the courts that the California Energy Commission had approved the Calico project improperly, failing to take into account potential harm to native flora and fauna.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...73D6TY20110414
    Reuters has me confused here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Adams View Post
    Reuters has me confused here...
    in what way
    I pledge allegiance to the constitution of the United States of America as amended by the legislative and executive branches and interpreted by the Supreme Court

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiseones2cents View Post
    Its obvious, that who ever it is, has oil interests. I don't see how they can have the authority to prevent them from installing the panels.
    LOL explain how it's obvious! It's the typical HOA "can't have anything different" attitude as usual. How do you make the leap to big oil? LOL conspiracy theorist! Does Big Oil have agents in every HOA in America?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiseones2cents View Post
    I've said this before. Some times it seems like the environmental groups and the oil company are on the same team. They play good cop, bad cop. The environmentalists prevent drilling and the oil guys get to jack prices up. Not that they wouldn't anyways. It just gives them the perfect scape goat.

    Heck I'm surprised they don't complain we build homes on squirrel lands!
    Now you seem to get it. Big Oil companies giggle with delight that their product will be made artificially scarce

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    Now you seem to get it. Big Oil companies giggle with delight that their product will be made artificially scarce
    That is why the oil companies cry they have limited refining capabilities but yet want to build a oil pipeline from Canada to Texas.

    And drill baby drill has proven to not bring down prices either. Why? Simply because as they drill? Demand keeps increasing. And they can sell their oil to the highest bidder(which unfortunately is now foreign countries). That is what capitalism is all about. There is no competition in the oil business. OPEC makes sure of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    LOL explain how it's obvious! It's the typical HOA "can't have anything different" attitude as usual. How do you make the leap to big oil? LOL conspiracy theorist! Does Big Oil have agents in every HOA in America?
    Any one tied to oil stocks is a Big oil supporter and agent. I debate them all the time. You hear them defending the oil industry tooth and nail and I eat them alive. Wouldn't you protect your own interests? Its only natural.

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    Seems like the same thing is sort of happening in Scotland. Donald Trump who made his money investing mob money doesn't want the Scottish to open up a wind farms because it would ruin the view of his condos. LOL!!! Hmmmmm what's more important? A energy efficient Scotland or his condo view?

    http://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-d...--finance.html

    The British are also investing in wind energy. Nuclear energy is not safe in densely populated areas. Japan should also invest in offshore wind farms(I'm sure they already are).

    http://news.yahoo.com/edf-eneco-buil...WZkMA--;_ylv=3

    Even the Indians are in the solar game. Utilizing vast areas of desert wasteland. OR the Indians can do what the Americans did. Build casinos on it. (Note sarcasm)!!!!

    http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-04/D9U82HSG2.htm

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    I'd also like to add that these homeowners reps sound like a bunch of uneducated hillbillies. Solar panels would actually bring the cost of their properties and neighborhoods up(to those who can afford it). Wouldn't you want to buy a home with no energy bills?

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