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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    What a bag of kitty litter.
    I realize most liberal/Democrats are absurdly ignorant....but YOU, Rana, are in a class by yourself.....well, maybe you and Onecell and Jarod and Rune and Moronman


    From the wire services:

    Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., greets a parishioner at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in New York City Sunday, Jan. 20, 2008.

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) is greeted by Rev. Dr. Calvin Butts at the Abyssinian Baptist Church, in the Harlem neighborhood of New York, January 20, 2008.

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) speaks during the 11am worship service at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in the Harlem neighborhood of New York January 20, 2008.

    Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., speaks at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in New York City, Sunday, Jan. 20, 2008.

    Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., speaks as Rev. Dr. Calvin O. Butts listens, left at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in New York City Sunday, Jan. 20, 2008.

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) speaks during the 11am worship service at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in the Harlem neighborhood of New York January 20, 2008.

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) greets people sitting in her pew after arriving at the Abyssinian Baptist Church, in the Harlem neighborhood of New York, January 20, 2008.

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) greets people sitting in her pew after arriving at the Abyssinian Baptist Church, in the Harlem neighborhood of New York, January 20, 2008.

    Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., and Rev. Dr. Calvin O. Butts serve hot chocolate and coffee to the crowd outside the Abyssinian Baptist Church after attending services in New York’s Harlem section Sunday, Jan. 20, 2008.

    Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., hands a cup of coffee to someone in the crowd outside the Abyssinian Baptist Church after attending services in New York City’s Harlem section Sunday, Jan. 20, 2008.
    This is sure to convince the simple folk what a good Christian woman she is. this is just one event out of many......


    And of course the IRS will immediately revoke the Abyssinian Baptist Church’s 501c3 tax exempt status. NOT

    Any minute now.


    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/i...n-black-church

    Do you blabber, bluster, and blow smoke ?...then you're likely a Democrat
    Do you use 'strawman' arguements 95% of the time ?....then you're likely a Democrat
    How does it feel to be the LAST black president?....funny stuff.





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    Quote Originally Posted by bravo View Post
    I realize most liberal/Democrats are absurdly ignorant....but YOU, Rana, are in a class by yourself.....well, maybe you and Onecell and Jarod and Rune and Moronman


    From the wire services:

    Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., greets a parishioner at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in New York City Sunday, Jan. 20, 2008.

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) is greeted by Rev. Dr. Calvin Butts at the Abyssinian Baptist Church, in the Harlem neighborhood of New York, January 20, 2008.

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) speaks during the 11am worship service at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in the Harlem neighborhood of New York January 20, 2008.

    Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., speaks at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in New York City, Sunday, Jan. 20, 2008.

    Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., speaks as Rev. Dr. Calvin O. Butts listens, left at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in New York City Sunday, Jan. 20, 2008.

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) speaks during the 11am worship service at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in the Harlem neighborhood of New York January 20, 2008.

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) greets people sitting in her pew after arriving at the Abyssinian Baptist Church, in the Harlem neighborhood of New York, January 20, 2008.

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) greets people sitting in her pew after arriving at the Abyssinian Baptist Church, in the Harlem neighborhood of New York, January 20, 2008.

    Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., and Rev. Dr. Calvin O. Butts serve hot chocolate and coffee to the crowd outside the Abyssinian Baptist Church after attending services in New York’s Harlem section Sunday, Jan. 20, 2008.

    Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., hands a cup of coffee to someone in the crowd outside the Abyssinian Baptist Church after attending services in New York City’s Harlem section Sunday, Jan. 20, 2008.
    This is sure to convince the simple folk what a good Christian woman she is. this is just one event out of many......


    And of course the IRS will immediately revoke the Abyssinian Baptist Church’s 501c3 tax exempt status. NOT

    Any minute now.


    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/i...n-black-church
    What is your point?




    The French Aristocracy didn't see it coming either.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Yes there are limits.
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances, except for when the religion or speech is unpopular enough that Congress might see fit to respect or abridge in the interest of public safety or national security.

    Ah, found it!!

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    LimitationsFor specific country examples see Freedom of speech by country, and Criminal speech.According to the Freedom Forum Organization, legal systems, and society at large, recognize limits on the freedom of speech, particularly when freedom of speech conflicts with other values or rights.[40] Limitations to freedom of speech may follow the "harm principle" or the "offense principle", for example in the case of pornography, religious belief or hate speech. Limitations to freedom of speech may occur through legal sanction or social disapprobation, or both.[41]

    Members of Westboro Baptist Church have been specifically banned from entering Canada for hate speech.[42]


    In "On Liberty" (1859) John Stuart Mill argued that "...there ought to exist the fullest liberty of professing and discussing, as a matter of ethical conviction, any doctrine, however immoral it may be considered."[41] Mill argues that the fullest liberty of expression is required to push arguments to their logical limits, rather than the limits of social embarrassment. However, Mill also introduced what is known as the harm principle, in placing the following limitation on free expression: "the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others."[41]
    In 1985 Joel Feinberg introduced what is known as the "offence principle", arguing that Mill's harm principle does not provide sufficient protection against the wrongful behaviours of others. Feinberg wrote "It is always a good reason in support of a proposed criminal prohibition that it would probably be an effective way of preventing serious offense (as opposed to injury or harm) to persons other than the actor, and that it is probably a necessary means to that end."[43] Hence Feinberg argues that the harm principle sets the bar too high and that some forms of expression can be legitimately prohibited by law because they are very offensive. But, as offending someone is less serious than harming someone, the penalties imposed should be higher for causing harm.[43] In contrast Mill does not support legal penalties unless they are based on the harm principle.[41] Because the degree to which people may take offense varies, or may be the result of unjustified prejudice, Feinberg suggests that a number of factors need to be taken into account when applying the offense principle, including: the extent, duration and social value of the speech, the ease with which it can be avoided, the motives of the speaker, the number of people offended, the intensity of the offense, and the general interest of the community at large.[41]

    The Internet and Information Society

    Jo Glanville, editor of the Index on Censorship, states that "the Internet has been a revolution for censorship as much as for free speech".[44] International, national and regional standards recognise that freedom of speech, as one form of freedom of expression, applies to any medium, including the Internet.[7] The Communications Decency Act (CDA) of 1996 was the first major attempt by the United States Congress to regulate pornographic material on the Internet. In 1997, in the landmark cyberlaw case of Reno v. ACLU, the U.S. Supreme Court partially overturned the law.[citation needed] Judge Stewart R. Dalzell, one of the three federal judges who in June 1996 declared parts of the CDA unconstitutional, in his opinion stated the following:[45]
    "The Internet is a far more speech-enhancing medium than print, the village green, or the mails. Because it would necessarily affect the Internet itself, the CDA would necessarily reduce the speech available for adults on the medium. This is a constitutionally intolerable result. Some of the dialogue on the Internet surely tests the limits of conventional discourse. Speech on the Internet can be unfiltered, unpolished, and unconventional, even emotionally charged, sexually explicit, and vulgar – in a word, "indecent" in many communities. But we should expect such speech to occur in a medium in which citizens from all walks of life have a voice. We should also protect the autonomy that such a medium confers to ordinary people as well as media magnates. [. . .] My analysis does not deprive the Government of all means of protecting children from the dangers of Internet communication. The Government can continue to protect children from pornography on the Internet through vigorous enforcement of existing laws criminalizing obscenity and child pornography. [. . .] As we learned at the hearing, there is also a compelling need for public educations about the benefits and dangers of this new medium, and the Government can fill that role as well. In my view, our action today should only mean that Government’s permissible supervision of Internet contents stops at the traditional line of unprotected speech. [. . .] The absence of governmental regulation of Internet content has unquestionably produced a kind of chaos, but as one of the plaintiff’s experts put it with such resonance at the hearing: "What achieved success was the very chaos that the Internet is. The strength of the Internet is chaos." Just as the strength of the Internet is chaos, so that strength of our liberty depends upon the chaos and cacophony of the unfettered speech the First Amendment protects."[45]
    The World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) Declaration of Principles adopted in 2003 makes specific reference to the importance of the right to freedom of expression for the "Information Society" in stating:
    "We reaffirm, as an essential foundation of the Information society, and as outlined in Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, that everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; that this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Communication is a fundamental social process, a basic human need and the foundation of all social organisation. It is central to the Information Society. Everyone, everywhere should have the opportunity to participate and no one should be excluded from the benefits of the Information Society offers."[46]
    According to Bernt Hugenholtz and Lucie Guibault the public domain is under pressure from the "commodification of information" as item of information that previously had little or no economic value, have acquired independent economic value in the information age, such as factual data, personal data, genetic information and pure ideas. The commodification of information is taking place through intellectual property

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom...ch#Limitations




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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    What is your point?
    Seriously!
    First, we need to grieve that in our world there even needs to be a journey toward women’s living as the equal beings they already are.
    Judith Barr 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravo View Post
    I realize most liberal/Democrats are absurdly ignorant....but YOU, Rana, are in a class by yourself.....well, maybe you and Onecell and Jarod and Rune and Moronman


    From the wire services:

    Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., greets a parishioner at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in New York City Sunday, Jan. 20, 2008.

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) is greeted by Rev. Dr. Calvin Butts at the Abyssinian Baptist Church, in the Harlem neighborhood of New York, January 20, 2008.

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) speaks during the 11am worship service at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in the Harlem neighborhood of New York January 20, 2008.

    Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., speaks at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in New York City, Sunday, Jan. 20, 2008.

    Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., speaks as Rev. Dr. Calvin O. Butts listens, left at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in New York City Sunday, Jan. 20, 2008.

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) speaks during the 11am worship service at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in the Harlem neighborhood of New York January 20, 2008.

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) greets people sitting in her pew after arriving at the Abyssinian Baptist Church, in the Harlem neighborhood of New York, January 20, 2008.

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) greets people sitting in her pew after arriving at the Abyssinian Baptist Church, in the Harlem neighborhood of New York, January 20, 2008.

    Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., and Rev. Dr. Calvin O. Butts serve hot chocolate and coffee to the crowd outside the Abyssinian Baptist Church after attending services in New York’s Harlem section Sunday, Jan. 20, 2008.

    Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., hands a cup of coffee to someone in the crowd outside the Abyssinian Baptist Church after attending services in New York City’s Harlem section Sunday, Jan. 20, 2008.
    This is sure to convince the simple folk what a good Christian woman she is. this is just one event out of many......


    And of course the IRS will immediately revoke the Abyssinian Baptist Church’s 501c3 tax exempt status. NOT

    Any minute now.


    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/i...n-black-church
    I am in a class by myself, you, however, have no class!

    I have always stated that churches should pay taxes, especially those who allow politics to be preached at their pulpits.

    There is no war against Catholics, unless it is the war to get them to convict their pediphiles.
    First, we need to grieve that in our world there even needs to be a journey toward women’s living as the equal beings they already are.
    Judith Barr 2013

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