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North Korea
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...0#.T4gtItnh-So
Wow... North Korea went back on their word? Violated the ballyhooed agreement with the Obama admin? Who could have ever predicted that? It hasn't happened since the last time we negotiated the same f'in deal with N. Korea.
Now talk that they are prepping for a nuclear test? It's 3:00am... anyone home?
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"Scientists don't use "averages". Maybe armchair supertools on message boards ascribe some meaning to "averages" between two random data points. And maybe clueless amatuers "draw a straight line" through two random end data points to define a "trend". Experts don't.
They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "
Thrillhouse
Originally Posted by Superfreak
Maybe it wasn't a good idea to say mean things about North Korea while doing nothing to prevent them from actually developing nuclear weapons in the first instance. Just a thought.
And I'm not sure what the "it's 3 a.m." comment means. I don't get the sense that there is particular urgency following a failed missile test that was announced last month. What exactly is the urgency and what do you think ought to be done?
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Violated what agreement? How was the said agreement violated?
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Their complete failure will ensure another test of some kind that will be successful. They can't have a failed missile be their last overt act...
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read the article Jarod.
Quote from Cypress:
"Scientists don't use "averages". Maybe armchair supertools on message boards ascribe some meaning to "averages" between two random data points. And maybe clueless amatuers "draw a straight line" through two random end data points to define a "trend". Experts don't.
They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "
The Almighty
Obama has been President for over three years Dung. He has done nothing except use the same failed strategy Clinton used.
Try reading the article Dung.And I'm not sure what the "it's 3 a.m." comment means. I don't get the sense that there is particular urgency following a failed missile test that was announced last month. What exactly is the urgency and what do you think ought to be done?
Quote from Cypress:
"Scientists don't use "averages". Maybe armchair supertools on message boards ascribe some meaning to "averages" between two random data points. And maybe clueless amatuers "draw a straight line" through two random end data points to define a "trend". Experts don't.
They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "
Thrillhouse
Clinton's strategy actually worked. North Korea developed nukes under Bush, which complicates matters significantly.
I read the article. I didn't see your opinion in there. That's why I asked for it.
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Maybe I misssed it but, where does it outline an agreement.
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What a crock of shit. Clinton's strategy did not work. North Korea took what Clinton gave them and developed nukes anyway.
If you had actually read the article, you would know what I am talking about. Clearly you did not read the article.I read the article. I didn't see your opinion in there. That's why I asked for it.
Quote from Cypress:
"Scientists don't use "averages". Maybe armchair supertools on message boards ascribe some meaning to "averages" between two random data points. And maybe clueless amatuers "draw a straight line" through two random end data points to define a "trend". Experts don't.
They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "
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Looks like we are in a good place with NK, there rocket did not work. We have been successfull in preventing them from being able to build a working rocket and now they have demonstrated that to the world. We are in a stronger negotiating position.
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read the article Jarod. If you missed it, re-reading the article knowing that it is there should help you.
Quote from Cypress:
"Scientists don't use "averages". Maybe armchair supertools on message boards ascribe some meaning to "averages" between two random data points. And maybe clueless amatuers "draw a straight line" through two random end data points to define a "trend". Experts don't.
They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "
The Almighty
ROFLMAO...
1) We did not do anything to prevent them from building a rocket that works Jarod. They simply don't have the tech to do it yet. It has nothing to do with us.
2) We are not in a strong position when they continually agree to take food in exchange for not firing missiles and not testing nukes. We appear weak and ignorant because we keep believing the N Koreans and keep giving them stuff to not do what they do anyway.
Quote from Cypress:
"Scientists don't use "averages". Maybe armchair supertools on message boards ascribe some meaning to "averages" between two random data points. And maybe clueless amatuers "draw a straight line" through two random end data points to define a "trend". Experts don't.
They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "
Thrillhouse
Not really. North Korea did work on procuring uranium and developing a uranium enrichment program in contravention of the Agreed Framework, but it wasn't operational. It's already developed plutonium enrichment facility was shuttered and the fuel under IAEA seal. The Bush Administration, upon learning of NK's procurement of centrifuges for enruching uranium (note, the centrifuges were not on line yet and the process had not started), pulled out of the Agreed Framework. This allowed NK to immediately restart up its plutonium enrichment program and to procure enough fuel for several bombs in short order.
That's the timeline. And yes, NK did violate the Agreed Framework, but the Bush Administration's response was stupid.
I'm just asking your opinion, SF. It's not too hard. I read the article. Your opinion wasn't in there.
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And the Obama response of 'lets walk the exact same path as before' is fucking retarded.
We all know my opinion isn't in the article moron. Read the article. if you are too ignorant to understand, then by all means, come on back and proclaim you are too ignorant to understand. Then I will spell it out for you and the other simpletons.I'm just asking your opinion, SF. It's not too hard. I read the article. Your opinion wasn't in there.
Quote from Cypress:
"Scientists don't use "averages". Maybe armchair supertools on message boards ascribe some meaning to "averages" between two random data points. And maybe clueless amatuers "draw a straight line" through two random end data points to define a "trend". Experts don't.
They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "
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Ok I see it says they agreed not to launch long range missles. It appears they tried to launch a missle they belived would be long range.
I still belvie this puts in a better negotiating position since it did not work.
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