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    Default Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin

    There is so much misinformation about this case that it is difficult to know if anything is true or not.

    http://www.examiner.com/charleston-c...trayvon-martin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aoxomoxoa View Post
    There is so much misinformation about this case that it is difficult to know if anything is true or not.

    http://www.examiner.com/charleston-c...trayvon-martin
    So he deserved to die, because he may have been beating Zimmerman's ass after having been accosted by an officious lil' cop wannabe with no authority?

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    Quote Originally Posted by \\(())// View Post
    So he deserved to die, because he may have been beating Zimmerman's ass after having been accosted by an officious lil' cop wannabe with no authority?
    You really need to learn a little circumspection, all I'm saying is that there is more to this case than what was initially released to the public. If he was really being attacked, why did he use a gun rather than a pepper spray, who knows.

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    so when the girlfriend on the cellphone heard shouts for help before the gunshots they weren't Trayvor's shouts, they were Zimmerman's?....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aoxomoxoa View Post
    You really need to learn a little circumspection, all I'm saying is that there is more to this case than what was initially released to the public. If he was really being attacked, why did he use a gun rather than a pepper spray, who knows.
    maybe zimmerman did not believe in the efficacy of pepper spray and felt that deadly force was the only way to go
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    so when the girlfriend on the cellphone heard shouts for help before the gunshots they weren't Trayvor's shouts, they were Zimmerman's?....
    One article stated that the father listened to the tapes when they were investigating and said the shouts of help were not from Trayvon.

    I hate stuff like this. We don't have all the information, we wind up with guesses. Is Zimmerman being sacrificed on the alter of politically correct? I don't know.

    I do know that if Zimmerman had followed the rules and training of the neighborhood watch organization, both of them would be alive now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos Spicy Weiner View Post
    No one should have to deal with being physically assaulted. NO ONE.
    So, if I follow you, and you run away, but I persist and finaly corner you, then I am entitled to shoot you if you fight back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    One article stated that the father listened to the tapes when they were investigating and said the shouts of help were not from Trayvon.

    I hate stuff like this. We don't have all the information, we wind up with guesses. Is Zimmerman being sacrificed on the alter of politically correct? I don't know.

    I do know that if Zimmerman had followed the rules and training of the neighborhood watch organization, both of them would be alive now.


    Sacrificed on the altar of politically correct? What the fuck does that even mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Buck Turgidson View Post
    Sacrificed on the altar of politically correct? What the fuck does that even mean?


    What if he really was defending himself but is destined for arrest due to the political environment? Would it be justice or sacrifice?

    Again, I don't know. I hope, if he is arrested, he gets a fair jury. And I hope that some day we might actually know the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post


    What if he really was defending himself but is destined for arrest due to the political environment? Would it be justice or sacrifice?

    Again, I don't know. I hope, if he is arrested, he gets a fair jury. And I hope that some day we might actually know the truth.
    Any way you really slice it, he stalked the guy; he cornered him; he instigated the confrontation, when 911 was telling him to back off.

    If the kid did fight back, he had a right to do so, imo. And you shouldn't be allowed to shoot someone dead for hitting you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post


    What if he really was defending himself but is destined for arrest due to the political environment? Would it be justice or sacrifice?
    So it's just P.C. nonsense for a guy who stalked, shot and killed a 17 year old kid armed with Skittles and an Arizona Iced Tea to be arrested? In any sane world, that's what would happen, but under the dumbass Florida law he'll probably skate.


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    Again, I don't know. I hope, if he is arrested, he gets a fair jury. And I hope that some day we might actually know the truth.
    We know enough of the truth to know that Zimmerman ought to be in fucking jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onceler View Post
    Any way you really slice it, he stalked the guy; he cornered him; he instigated the confrontation, when 911 was telling him to back off.

    If the kid did fight back, he had a right to do so, imo. And you shouldn't be allowed to shoot someone dead for hitting you.
    All of which I think I've covered previously. Other than the "you shouldn't be able to shoot someone dead for hitting you" thing, because you absolutely can use hands to "bless" somebody with lethal force. Both of them have a right to defend themselves, and I have repeatedly stated that had Zimmerman followed the rules and training of the neighborhood watch program Trayvon would be alive, but I do not believe that it is against the law not to follow their rules, just a bit stupid. Hence, I think negligent homicide would be the likely charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post


    What if he really was defending himself but is destined for arrest due to the political environment? Would it be justice or sacrifice?

    Again, I don't know. I hope, if he is arrested, he gets a fair jury. And I hope that some day we might actually know the truth.
    How the heck could it be self defense when he pursued the victim? Get a grip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by General Buck Turgidson View Post
    So it's just P.C. nonsense for a guy who stalked, shot and killed a 17 year old kid armed with Skittles and an Arizona Iced Tea to be arrested? In any sane world, that's what would happen, but under the dumbass Florida law he'll probably skate.
    I don't think he'll skate, I just don't think he'll be facing charges that he may face in other states.


    We know enough of the truth to know that Zimmerman ought to be in fucking jail.
    Not really, we know enough of what one side has said to think it is an "outrage" that he isn't in jail, but we haven't heard the cops' side of things and may be surprised by information that isn't being provided at this time. I don't know what information it could be, as I am with you. I've wondered several times how he wasn't arrested that night, even if he was released later after investigation. People shouldn't die without some thorough investigation. People count.
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