Newt must go for Santorum to beat Romney

[Skeleton Jelly]

Romney is the borg
He is inevitable.
You will be assimilated.

[Damocles]

like sarah palin, did you catch her interview where she would not ignore the nomination during the convention...

right now about the only thing that can save the reps, is another serious downturn in the economy

oh well

You think that a Party that won't vote for Rick would go and nominate Palin at a brokered convention... I seriously doubt that.

[Skeleton Jelly]

The GOP blew it again. Worst field in ages...

cry into a pillow onceler. There is no one the republicans would nominate that you would ever vote for. And trying to fight on liberal turf is just going to end up with republicans losing. If americans wanted to vote for liberal policies, why would they vote for a republican when they can vote for the real thing?

Say what you want, the economy is the top issue right now in the nation, and romney is currently LEADING over obama. with respect to that issue.

And that's with Romney getting beat up everyday from all sides.

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Then why does Santorum insist on continuing with the social conservative line about abortion, birth control and fags? When will he actually talk hard facts and figures on the economy and what a Santorum presidency would mean?

Sochead, Santorum didn't continue or start with this shit, the liberal media introduced this from speeches he gave back in 1998! Tellya what... let's go back and dig up some Mitt 'pro-choice' speeches from when he was trying to win the governor's race in liberal Massachusetts, and then, let's run those non-stop for two or three weeks and have everyone in the media constantly bringing it up every time he is interviewed? Of course, we both know this isn't going to happen, because the establishment want's Mitt to win, and I think the Liberals secretly do as well. Now, if Mitt wins the nomination, what you can expect for him, is the constant bombardment of accusations and insinuations regarding his wealth.

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He was also ahead by almost 18 pts as of last week and his lead evaporated in that time.

Again, he was outspent in Ohio 10 to 1! He only lost by one point. This isn't Alabama or South Carolina, this was OHIO! Santorum is holding his own in the midwest, and dominating in the south. If you look at the Ohio precinct maps, Romney only carried in the larger municipalities, the vast majority of rural Ohio went for Santorum.

The media is creaming their pants over santorum, what planet are you on.

Yes, some liberals are anticipating Santorum because they believe he can be defeated by turning the election into social conservative issues, but that will not be what the election is decided on. The GOP elite are certainly not giving Santorum a chance, to a letter, they all say he is done.

I woke up to the headline today of:

"Super tuesday brings new bruises for romney"

Which is LOL considering Romney won 6/10 states, came 2nd in 3 others.

Let me repeat... out of 10 contests, he won 6, came in second in 3.

He won 1.4 million votes vs. 800k of santorums, he won 200 delegates.
What exactly would he have to do for last night not to be a pretty solid performance? Jesus . . .

Again, if Santorum and Newt had not split the rest of the vote, Romney wouldn't have won ANY state last night. He didn't get anywhere near plurality, and that should worry the Romney team. We've got a strange situation, the candidate who is getting most of the vote, is not the candidate the majority of the party wants.

Romney is inevitable. He is the borg. You will be assimilated. You will vote for him.

Perhaps, but the process is not over yet. That's all I was saying. In order for Santorum to defeat Romney, he needs for Newt to drop out, and soon, or it will be too late. It is clear after yesterday, this is a two-man race between Santorum and Romney, and all Newt and Paul are doing at this point, is helping Romney.

The math does not add up, even if newt dropped out tomorrow. Santorum would need to clear about ~70% of all remaining delegates to win the nomination. It's just not going to happen given how the states divvy up their delegates proportionally in so many areas.

Again, if Newt Gingrich had not been on the ballot in Ohio, you have to figure that most of his 15% would have gone for Santorum over Romney. Santorum would have won Ohio in a cake walk, and this would have likely been the case in the other states as well, and Romney may not have won a single state.... BUT... because the Tea Party vote or 'anti-Mitt' voters... whatever you want to call them... because they split their vote between Santorum, Newt, and in some cases, Paul... Romney was able to win, barely. Not impressive at all.

[Chapel The Evergreen]

I can't wait to see Dixie in 3 months touting how Romney is the greatest thing since 2nd cousin marriages (i.e. marrying a cousin twice), how Obama better be scurred, and then 3 days after the election going back to how Romney was 'chosen' by the secret liberal elite who apparently run the RNC.

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I can't wait to see Dixie in 3 months touting how Romney is the greatest thing since 2nd cousin marriages (i.e. marrying a cousin twice), how Obama better be scurred, and then 3 days after the election going back to how Romney was 'chosen' by the secret liberal elite who apparently run the RNC.

Oh hey, I am already working on a thread about coming to terms with Romney, I have no delusions here. Romeny's effing Golden Retreiver would be better than the idiot currently in the White House. I will definitely vote for Romney over Obama, if that is my choice. I would rather vote for Santorum over Obama, but that is my preference for the moment, Santorum wasn't my first choice, but then, you knew that.

[Skeleton Jelly]

Again, he was outspent in Ohio 10 to 1!

4:1. Not 10:1.

And it doesn't matter if he is outspent. Money wins elections. That's a plus, not a minus. You are basically saying that "if romney didn't use something that helps win elections, he would have lost the election"

Doesn't make sense. Spending power is just as good as ideas when it comes to the theatre of politics.

He only lost by one point.

But he lost. And he was so unorganized and inept he didn't even reg in the counties most favorable for him.
And he was up by 10-18 points a week ago. So although you are spinning it as a one point loss, it's really that he basically bled out voters left and right.

Yes, some liberals are anticipating Santorum because they believe he can be defeated by turning the election into social conservative issues, but that will not be what the election is decided on. The GOP elite are certainly not giving Santorum a chance, to a letter, they all say he is done.

yes, it wont be what it's decided on, which is why it's stupid for him (and a complete waste of time/resources) to bring up issues that are complete losers for the republicans.

Again, if Santorum and Newt had not split the rest of the vote, Romney wouldn't have won ANY state last night.

Ah, heres what you do best. Plainly make shit up hoping no one throws facts in your face.

Now I know I am making a mistake asking you math questions, but I think even you can handle these:



What's 12+4 dixie?



what's 18+2?



What's 23+8?

In your fantasy world of a non-existent yesterday, that's still 90 delegate votes locked up for romney. Not to mention how many he would have taken for placing second anyway. And that's with your best case scenario.

Also it's a bit foolish to assume that santorum would get every single vote from newt. Republicans have constantly stated that they see romney as the most electable, and they trust him the most on the issue of the economy. It's perfectly plausible that if one sides chosen boytoy isn't in the race, and their flirtation with a mouthbreather comes to an end, that they shape up and step in line. Also I would be willing to bet that more ron paul supporters would vote romney over santorum of newt. They may not agree with romney on a lot, but he's the lesser of the other 3 evils, given that he's not a hardcore social conservative and he's relatively fiscally conservative. so two can play your what if scenario game. The bottom line is, it didn't happen, it wont happen, and it's irrelevant.

He didn't get anywhere near plurality, and that should worry the Romney team.

Either STOP LYING or DO YOUR FUCKING RESEARCH.

Super Tuesday stats:

total --- 3633216
Romeny - 1387342
Santorum - 974865
Newt - 831045

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results...tial_primaries

Romney had 38% of the vote, more than anyone else. Which is, in fact, a plurality. He also Had a MAJORITY in 2 of the states I listed above, even if you add santorum and newts totals together.

Also romney does not have to worry. Because you will vote for him in november if he is nominated, and everyone knows it. That's the thing you keep failing to understand. You will be assimilated.

We've got a strange situation, the candidate who is getting most of the vote, is not the candidate the majority of the party wants.

You could say that for anyone in this election.

[Skeleton Jelly]

dixie you made up facts which pissed me off above. But i'll give you credit that you haven't really been a douche recently, even though you have been wrong. so I'll turn down my negativeness towards you for the time being and we'll just discuss the pure theory without the mudslinging.

im going to sleep though right now

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Also it's a bit foolish to assume that santorum would get every single vote from newt.

I never said he would get "every single vote" but he would have only needed a couple percent of them in Ohio last night.

You have to figure, the moderates candidate is Mitt Romney, and that means most of those who would vote for Newt, would more likely support Santorum than Romney, not all of them, but a substantial majority of them, and that would be enough to make a difference.

But he lost. And he was so unorganized and inept he didn't even reg in the counties most favorable for him.
And he was up by 10-18 points a week ago. So although you are spinning it as a one point loss, it's really that he basically bled out voters left and right.

Hey, I am not here to praise the amazing job of Team Santorum in this campaign, they are inept all over the place, I know... but still, they narrowly lost to the supposed front-runner in a state they were outspent in 4 to 1.... in spite of the ineptitude! That just serves to make my point more poignant, thank you!

yes, it wont be what it's decided on, which is why it's stupid for him (and a complete waste of time/resources) to bring up issues that are complete losers for the republicans.

Funny thing this is... Santorum never brought ANY of this up! It was introduced by the media from a speech he gave in 1998. THE MEDIA has been obsessed and focused on this, not Santorum. He is on the campaign trail talking about Obama and repealing Obamacare, getting people back to work, et.al. You're just submerged in MSNBC propaganda to the point you don't even realize when it's being delivered to you.

Also romney does not have to worry. Because you will vote for him in november if he is nominated, and everyone knows it. That's the thing you keep failing to understand. You will be assimilated.

Again, maybe so! If my choice is Obama or Romney, I will fucking GLADLY cast my vote for Romney. But here's the thing, I think when it comes right down to it, the Romney supporters would support Santorum over Obama, because about 95% of them don't really care that Santorum believes in Jesus, as long as he can fix the economy.

[PostmodernProphet]

Gary Johnson's website

why?.....are the 75 people who voted for him getting lonely?......

[PostmodernProphet]

It's the ECONOMY STUPID!

do you remember being pissed off because the Republicans had the White House, the House, and the Senate and they fucked it up by overspending?.......Santorum was one of those who led the fucking up.....

[PostmodernProphet]

it is not too late for ron paul...

true....the only one it's too late for is Obama.....

[icedancer2theend]

First let me say, Ron Paul is a non-starter as of last night. His only chance to win a state, came and went. Paul is done.

Rick Santorum did much better than the media and pundits would have you believe today. He was tremendously outspent in Ohio, and lost by one point. Had Gingrich not been in the race, Santorum would have won in a cakewalk, and this is the case in many of the races yesterday. Granted, Virginia was a glaring embarrassment for both Gingrich and Santorum, not getting on the ballot...wtf? But if Newt were to bow out, Santorum could pull off the upset... otherwise, Romney will win the GOP nomination.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the 'behind the scenes' stuff in the next week, this is a pivotal point in the GOP primary process, I do believe.

I tend to agree with pundits on the way this will play out- This is the "what will you give me to pledge my delegates" moment.

[The Dude]

Santorum is a fucking clown, not surprising Dixie prefers him to the only viable choice.