Newt must go for Santorum to beat Romney

[Rune]

You have exposed yourself to be an irrelevant 2%er. Go join the Ron Paul people in the Corner of Irrelevance please.

Independent women and centrist dem women will NEVER vote for Santorum.

Here's the thing... maybe not. But the election is not going to be decided on Women's Issues. It's the ECONOMY STUPID! This idiotic "War on Women" thing, is from the Liberal MSM and Obama sycophants. THE ISSUE in poll after poll, survey after survey, state after state, is the state of the ECONOMY! and THAT will be what decides Election 2012.

If you want to hand Obama ANOTHER landslide victory, put Santorum against him moron.

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do you remember being pissed off because the Republicans had the White House, the House, and the Senate and they fucked it up by overspending?.......Santorum was one of those who led the fucking up.....

Yeah? Well, Newt has baggage and so does Mitt, so where does that leave us? We don't have a "perfect" candidate! Do we NEED a "perfect" candidate to beat this idiot? Really? To be honest, I don't care about their backgrounds, at least I am FAMILIAR with what they've done, it's not a COMPLETE mystery, like SOME people I know.

If you want to hand Obama ANOTHER landslide victory, put Santorum against him moron.

That's what I keep hearing, but here's the thing, we actually need to have an election before you start doing the happy dance. Before that, we need to finish the nominating process. We're certainly not going to base our decision on who you like the best, and the fact you LOVE Santorum so much, doesn't really matter. Whoever we ultimately pick is going to have a field day with your clown because the economy is in the shitter. You're going to throw out your trumped up over-hyped rhetoric, distortions and lies, no matter who we nominate, so what difference does it make?

[cawacko]

Dixie, you've probably already answered this question multiple times (in this thread even) so I apologize for asking it agaian and I apologize for being lazy and not reading through the thread. If Romney does win the Republican nomination do you think Republican voters in the South would rally around him in the general election or is there enough distrust/dislike that a lot of voters would sit the election out?

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Dixie, you've probably already answered this question multiple times (in this thread even) so I apologize for asking it agaian and I apologize for being lazy and not reading through the thread. If Romney does win the Republican nomination do you think Republican voters in the South would rally around him in the general election or is there enough distrust/dislike that a lot of voters would sit the election out?

I honestly get the feeling it doesn't matter who is nominated, anyone to the right of Karl Marx is going to be voting for Obama's opponent. I do think Santorum supporters would support Romney in the general, but I also think Romney supporters would support Santorum as well, perhaps a little more lukewarm, but against Obama? Yeah! The only people I see sitting this out, would be Ron Paul supporters.

I really think the GOP is making a critical mistake in thinking they need to go "moderate" to grab the "moderate" vote. That's why they nominated McCain last time, and it was a FAILED strategy.

[leaningright]

I will add this. I can get excited about voting for Santorum. I will vote for Romney over Obama. I would even grudgingly vote for Paul. But I would never vote for Newt.

I am not an example of "voters in the South" but think I am indicative of the voters in my state who are conservative democrats.

[cawacko]

I honestly get the feeling it doesn't matter who is nominated, anyone to the right of Karl Marx is going to be voting for Obama's opponent. I do think Santorum supporters would support Romney in the general, but I also think Romney supporters would support Santorum as well, perhaps a little more lukewarm, but against Obama? Yeah! The only people I see sitting this out, would be Ron Paul supporters.

I really think the GOP is making a critical mistake in thinking they need to go "moderate" to grab the "moderate" vote. That's why they nominated McCain last time, and it was a FAILED strategy.

One issue I see is there seems to be a very big disconnect between what is considered a moderate. Conservatives think Romney is a moderate (and just giving one example from this board) Dungheap thinks Romney is the most conservative candidate since Goldwater. Now obviously people on the left think most/all Republicans are too far to the right so that is not a big suprise. But I have been listening to several non-partisan Independant voices that I feel are trustworthy and they think Romney is going to far to the right during this primary and will have a problem tacking back to the middle for the general. I'm not stating that they are necessarily correct but I see where they are coming from.

[Darla]

I will add this. I can get excited about voting for Santorum. I will vote for Romney over Obama. I would even grudgingly vote for Paul. But I would never vote for Newt.

I am not an example of "voters in the South" but think I am indicative of the voters in my state who are conservative democrats.

So the conservative democrats in your state are deciding between voting for Romney over Obama, Santorum over Obama, and Paul over Obama?

I got news - they're Republicans.

This brought to you by name it/change it.

[PostmodernProphet]

Yeah? Well, Newt has baggage and so does Mitt,

do they have fiscal irresponsibility baggage?......

at least I am FAMILIAR with what they've done

and that is what bothers me about Santorum.....

[PostmodernProphet]

but I also think Romney supporters would support Santorum as well

I would support him, but I would want to keep a close watch on his spending....

[leaningright]

So the conservative democrats in your state are deciding between voting for Romney over Obama, Santorum over Obama, and Paul over Obama?

I got news - they're Republicans.

This brought to you by name it/change it.

You have to call 'em as you see 'em...and I understand and respect that. But when it comes to our state politics, if you think I am "over the top" conservative....well, let's just say you ain't seen an Oklahoma republican. Talk about waaayyyy out there to the right. We democrats have been battling them for years...and losing I might add.

[cawacko]

You have to call 'em as you see 'em...and I understand and respect that. But when it comes to our state politics, if you think I am "over the top" conservative....well, let's just say you ain't seen an Oklahoma republican. Talk about waaayyyy out there to the right. We democrats have been battling them for years...and losing I might add.

leaningright, I know where you are coming from. Darla is a New York City Democrat or New York City liberal, that is often very different than an Oklahoma Democrat. I'm a San Francisco Republican and that is often different than a Republican from the South. So positions you have which to a NYC Democrat might look like Republican positions are Democratic positions in Oklahoma. Just different parts of the country.

[Damocles]

So the conservative democrats in your state are deciding between voting for Romney over Obama, Santorum over Obama, and Paul over Obama?

I got news - they're Republicans.

This brought to you by name it/change it.

And the letter G... Don't forget the letter G.

[Darla]

You have to call 'em as you see 'em...and I understand and respect that. But when it comes to our state politics, if you think I am "over the top" conservative....well, let's just say you ain't seen an Oklahoma republican. Talk about waaayyyy out there to the right. We democrats have been battling them for years...and losing I might add.

No, I don't think you're over the top at all. But I do think you're a Republican. You just aren't mean, vicious, or crazy, which is what throws most people off. But not being mean, vicious or crazy doesn't make you a Democrat!

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One issue I see is there seems to be a very big disconnect between what is considered a moderate. Conservatives think Romney is a moderate (and just giving one example from this board) Dungheap thinks Romney is the most conservative candidate since Goldwater. Now obviously people on the left think most/all Republicans are too far to the right so that is not a big suprise. But I have been listening to several non-partisan Independant voices that I feel are trustworthy and they think Romney is going to far to the right during this primary and will have a problem tacking back to the middle for the general. I'm not stating that they are necessarily correct but I see where they are coming from.

We all tend to all think of ourselves as 'moderate' as opposed to 'extreme.' I have never understood this whole "go to the right and tack back to the middle" thing. What the fuck does that mean? You have certain ideological principals for the primaries and change them for the general? How does that work, exactly? Only in Politics!

Romney is a moderate because he speaks the moderate language. He doesn't fully understand Conservative principles, or doesn't fully agree with them, whichever. The proof is in what he says and how he puts things. He defends Romneycare by making the argument that it was a state's rights issue, but fundamental conservatism should oppose state government intrusion into our health care just as fervently as federal. From that philosophical conservative standpoint, Romney is wrong. Then, just the other day, he presents his plan to cut taxes, for everyone but the Top 1%. Demonstrating, he clearly doesn't understand the Conservative argument, and practically accepting the OWS/Liberal argument. He's pro choice...no...he's pro life... he's pro-gay marriage...no...he supports traditional marriage... depends on which way the wind is blowing and who's vote he needs... maybe he 'tacks back' for the general?

[Darla]

leaningright, I know where you are coming from. Darla is a New York City Democrat or New York City liberal, that is often very different than an Oklahoma Democrat. I'm a San Francisco Republican and that is often different than a Republican from the South. So positions you have which to a NYC Democrat might look like Republican positions are Democratic positions in Oklahoma. Just different parts of the country.

But are you thinking about voting for Obama? That would make a good comparison. Otherwise, no. He and the people he is describing are all figuring out which Republican they're going to vote for. Think about it.

It's simplistic to say, Oh Darla is a NYC liberal. You know, if you are consistently voting for Republicans in national elections, you're a republican. If you are consistently voting for dems in national elections, you're a democrat. From there, you can start to differentiate between who is a liberal repub and who is a conservative dem.