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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterThanYou View Post
    no it's not. read the legislation requirement again. it's like calling the 'penalty' for failing to maintain health insurance a 'tax' and then saying it's all legal because we said the word. it's bullshit and you fucking know it. hack.
    Read the fucking legislation yourself. You don't know what you're talking about and dont' make me prove it. That is not the intent of the national insurance ID card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Read the fucking legislation yourself. You don't know what you're talking about and dont' make me prove it. That is not the intent of the national insurance ID card.
    Right. And it wasn't the intent for your Social Security Number to be used to identify you and to be used to track your credit score either...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterThanYou View Post
    bullshit. i register to vote online and don't provide a single shred of proof I am who I say I am.
    So you're telling me that when you register to vote on-line you don't have to provide your name, address, age, drivers license #, SS# or part of your SS#, etc, etc, none of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Right. And it wasn't the intent for your Social Security Number to be used to identify you credit score either...
    OK....tell me then...what is the intent of this ID card?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Read the fucking legislation yourself. You don't know what you're talking about and dont' make me prove it. That is not the intent of the national insurance ID card.
    I don't believe YOU know what you're talking about. it reads for an ID card, not a insurance card.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    So you're telling me that when you register to vote on-line you don't have to provide your name, address, age, drivers license #, SS# or part of your SS#, etc, etc, none of that?
    no, i'm saying I don't have to show this to anyone physically. In other words, All I need is that info of anyones, I can register to vote. Then we take steps backwards on identity theft, etc. get the picture?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Right. And it wasn't the intent for your Social Security Number to be used to identify you and to be used to track your credit score either...

    The primary difference between a SSN and a "National Health Care Identification Card" is that one exists while the other does not.

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    and how is this really any different from the REAL ID ACT?????
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterThanYou View Post
    and how is this really any different from the REAL ID ACT?????

    Why don't you first explain how it is remotely similar? When formulating your response, please keep in mind that "this" is a permissive regulation which merely allows private insurers to issue machine readable ID cards to their customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dungheap View Post
    Why don't you first explain how it is remotely similar? When formulating your response, please keep in mind that "this" is a permissive regulation which merely allows private insurers to issue machine readable ID cards to their customers.
    so contrary to the OP, the national health ID card is not going to be mandatory? when formulating your response, please keep in mind that 'this' bill explicitly states that in order for any individual to be eligible for a health insurance plan and health claim status, they will be issued a machine readable national health identification card.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterThanYou View Post
    bullshit. i register to vote online and don't provide a single shred of proof I am who I say I am.
    Just like you drive without a license or insurance and never buy a gun from FFLs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by \\(())// View Post
    Just like you drive without a license or insurance and never buy a gun from FFLs?
    pretty much, yes.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    OK....tell me then...what is the intent of this ID card?
    Who cares what its intent is? What should matter is how it will be used. No matter how many times I read on my social security card that it cannot be used for identification or tracking purposes (it actually says it on my card) it is used for tracking and identification purposes. Pretending that stuff like that doesn't happen is just covering your ears and shouting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by \\(())// View Post
    Voting is a right, and there are already laws that require valid registration and prevent voter impersonation. They work well, judging the rarity of convictions for violating them.

    I shouldn't have to obtain an additional ID to prove my right to vote.

    If you don't want to carry insurance ID, don't.

    Obamacare will be a right also.....whats your point ?

    No card....no healthcare.......
    No card....no vote.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Who cares what its intent is? What should matter is how it will be used. No matter how many times I read on my social security card that it cannot be used for identification or tracking purposes (it actually says it on my card) it is used for tracking and identification purposes. Pretending that stuff like that doesn't happen is just covering your ears and shouting.
    right. try denying that information to someone that wants it for their services, like buying a new car. they will not sell you the car.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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