Why do righties deny that Newt said this?

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Did you notice doublewides' citation of evidence proving that "benefits" equal $34K @ year?

Me neither.

You actually expect Damo to demand verification from Dix like he does from Liberals?

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Did you notice doublewides' citation of evidence proving that "benefits" equal $34K @ year?

Me neither.

Typical state benefits:

$1,300 a month employer-paid health insurance. (x12= $15,600)
$200 a month dental rider. (x12= $2400)
$100 a month vision rider. ($1200)
6% Employer contribution to pension. ($4000)
Avg matching 401k contributions. ($900)
14 Vacation days ($3500)
11 Paid Holidays. ($2800)
2 Option days. ($500)
5 Family leave days. ($1300)
5 Sick days ($1300)

TOTAL: $33,500.00

Wow... looky there! I missed six figures by $500! Oh My God! I was WRONG!

fucking idiot.

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Wow...18 whole people...out of 625,000+ that live in Vermont.

And what a princely sum each of those greedy people makes!

Why, one even has the audacity to make OVER $67,000!!

It's no wonder Dix and others like him ignore the 1% to attack those greedy union janitors!!

My post wasn't about "greedy union janitors" you dishonest fucktard. I made an off the cuff comment about some union janitors making "upward of six figs" and a pinhead challenged that. I showed where one school district in the first place I looked, shows janitors making $66k salaries, which with included state benefits, IS a six figure income! I didn't say ALL janitors make this, or that it's not fair or right for those who do. But I think, if we have a budget deficit problem and we're paying union janitors six figs, it might be a good idea to think about how we can reduce that in the future going forward. Not that this even concerns the federal government, they don't pay state union janitors, but most states are struggling with budgets as well.

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My post wasn't about "greedy union janitors" you dishonest fucktard. I made an off the cuff comment about some union janitors making "upward of six figs" and a pinhead challenged that. I showed where one school district in the first place I looked, shows janitors making $66k salaries, which with included state benefits, IS a six figure income! I didn't say ALL janitors make this, or that it's not fair or right for those who do. But I think, if we have a budget deficit problem and we're paying union janitors six figs, it might be a good idea to think about how we can reduce that in the future going forward. Not that this even concerns the federal government, they don't pay state union janitors, but most states are struggling with budgets as well.

No Dickshit, it is not 6 figures until you prove state bennies add 34K. Stop lying.

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JANITOR SALARY
This job does not pay the best, but nowadays it pays well over minimum wage. I've never made less than $10.55/hr as a janitor. And with more experience, you can request more pay. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average janitor makes $24,120 per year. The average hourly wage is $11.60 per hour. This is not too bad for what you actually have to do. If it's easy for you to move around the U.S., you might want to check out the top paying states. Following is a list of janitor salaries by state.


Read more: http://www.infobarrel.com/Janitor_Sa...#ixzz1gouhJS11

Damn Dixie you are a serious liar.

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JANITOR SALARY
This job does not pay the best, but nowadays it pays well over minimum wage. I've never made less than $10.55/hr as a janitor. And with more experience, you can request more pay. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average janitor makes $24,120 per year. The average hourly wage is $11.60 per hour. This is not too bad for what you actually have to do. If it's easy for you to move around the U.S., you might want to check out the top paying states. Following is a list of janitor salaries by state.


Read more: http://www.infobarrel.com/Janitor_Sa...#ixzz1gouhJS11

Damn Dixie you are a serious liar.

Again, you simple-minded retard, we aren't talking about "average janitors" we are talking about janitors who work for the state and belong to state employees unions, who make about 3X more than the "average janitor" according to the department of labor statistics. As state employees, they also have one of the best benefit packages available to anyone on the planet. It is YOU and rootbeer who continue to want to LIE and be deceptive, as you try your best to defend unionized labor and special interests. Let's not forget this debate is spawned from your rejection of the idea that we could employ part-time student workers to do these jobs, and not only save money, but also provide jobs and source of income for poor families in inner city areas, while instilling work ethic and the values associated with work.

Here's the deal, you and your socialist liberal punk buddies, are going to lie, manipulate, obfuscate, divert and distract, as much as you possibly can, to avoid anything ever touching your precious special interests and unions. That's what this is all about, and why you two have gone to such extremely ridiculous levels to argue the most inane points.

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No Dickshit, it is not 6 figures until you prove state bennies add 34K. Stop lying.

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Again, you simple-minded retard, we aren't talking about "average janitors" we are talking about janitors who work for the state and belong to state employees unions, who make about 3X more than the "average janitor" according to the department of labor statistics. As state employees, they also have one of the best benefit packages available to anyone on the planet. It is YOU and rootbeer who continue to want to LIE and be deceptive, as you try your best to defend unionized labor and special interests. Let's not forget this debate is spawned from your rejection of the idea that we could employ part-time student workers to do these jobs, and not only save money, but also provide jobs and source of income for poor families in inner city areas, while instilling work ethic and the values associated with work.

Here's the deal, you and your socialist liberal punk buddies, are going to lie, manipulate, obfuscate, divert and distract, as much as you possibly can, to avoid anything ever touching your precious special interests and unions. That's what this is all about, and why you two have gone to such extremely ridiculous levels to argue the most inane points.

YEAH!!

We need to make sure those greedy janitors don't make 6 figures...FORGET about what is going on higher up than that...

Texas Governor and current Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry appears to have pulled something of a fast one on his state’s taxpayers by officially “retiring” earlier this year so that he could begin collecting an annual pension of $92,376 at the same time as he continues to draw his $150,000 a year salary as governor.

The arrangement went into effect last January but became public knowledge only this week, when Perry’s presidential campaign filed the personal financial disclosure statement after having previously received two successive delays.

Perry was asked about the payments during a campaign stop in Iowa on Friday and replied, “That’s been in place for decades … I don’t find that to be out of the ordinary. [The Employee Retirement System] called me and said, ‘Listen you’re eligible to access your retirement now with your military time and your time and service, and I think you would be rather foolish to not access what you’ve earned.’”

As explained by the Austin Statesman, Texas law allows state employees to take retirement once their age plus their years of service add up to 80. The 61 year old Perry has held one position or another with the state since he was employed as agricultural commissioner in 1991, and he filed to start receiving his annuity last January.

Perry continues to pay 6.5% of his salary as governor into the Employees Retirement System, which will further increase his retirement payment once his term ends in 2015. He will also be eligible for lifetime health care at state expense, as well as Social Security benefits.

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Bullshit. The total salary INCLUDES the sick days, vacation days and paid holidays HACK.

The rest of your list is highly suspect as well. For example, my mother is a professor of health technologies, retired from the university system of Mass. She is entitled to 1 pair of glasses a year. How could a janitor receive so much better benefits that a professor?

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Where's the link to your source, doublewide?

And since you admit that you "missed it by $500", you can't prove your "six figs" claim, can you?

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Bullshit. The total salary INCLUDES the sick days, vacation days and paid holidays HACK.

The rest of your list is highly suspect as well. For example, my mother is a professor of health technologies, retired from the university system of Mass. She is entitled to 1 pair of glasses a year. How could a janitor receive so much better benefits that a professor?

LMFAO... NO... your SALARY does NOT include sick days, vacation days, or holidays. Nor does it include the cost of health care insurance, 401k contributions, or state pension plans. These are all "extras" or as we commonly call them, "benefits."

YEAH!!

We need to make sure those greedy janitors don't make 6 figures...FORGET about what is going on higher up than that...

Totally not what I said. But thanks for inundating us with yet another outright dishonest LIE. You continue to prove me correct!

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Where's the link to your source, doublewide?

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Where's the link to your source, doublewide?

I used your link for some of it, and not sure where I found the Vermont janitors pay, and typical state benefits is from a variety of sources, some of them are online and some aren't. Can you refute what has been presented or not?

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I used your link for some of it, and not sure where I found the Vermont janitors pay, and typical state benefits is from a variety of sources, some of them are online and some aren't. Can you refute what has been presented or not?

Can you cite your source, or not?

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Can you cite your source, or not?

LMFAO.... You fucktards have been doing this ever since Clinton and the meaning of "is." You want a link to a web page, as if the fact that something is posted in html and hosted on a server, it makes it factual, and unless it meets said criteria, it isn't. Then once you have the html page, you can take the words posted there, and parse the meanings... like what does "is" really mean? By having an html page you can distort and pervert this way, it lends credibility to your argument, which is absurd and without logic. Like I said, I have SEVERAL sources, some of them were posted here by you... not all of them are online in the form of an html page, and the entirety of what I have posted is not all included on a single web page out there somewhere, as I didn't do a cut-n-paste, like you normally do. It is information compiled from different sources, and you are welcome to research it and prove me wrong if you want, I personally don't think it's that big of a deal, in context of the topic.