Why should I call him Mr. President? Were we to meet I would expect him to use my name and in return I would address him as Mr. Obama.
Anyway that's not important. Tell me how you would refute the facts that I gave to your co-dummy, Dixie.
They are, in case you are interested, ALL facts published in America by Americans with the exception of that by M. Doudou Diene.
Mind you, if the United Nations were wrong under bush I guess you will not have changed you little mind, huh?
Never left my immediate neighbourhood? Wonderful! Toot toot, Bo'sun. Careful where you put the front of your boat!
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/blog.php?u=237
If you feel so inclined a comment would be appreciated.
Respect a believers right to believe, but they should damn well repect our right to challenge such utterly illogical notions.
Well, since you are hung up on these "facts" you posted, let's go through them...
Fact: Violence or violent outbursts that are racially motivated are on the increase in the US.
Not true. I don't know where you got this "fact" but there is nothing to show racially motivated violence is on the rise in the US. In fact, I don't even have to see statistics to know that racially motivated violence has greatly declined since the mid 60s in America. So you start off 0-1 with your "facts" thus far.
Fact:Threats against President Obama have increased by approximately 400% since bush left office. Magnified by the most stupid and irresponsible statement ever to have come out of any one, 'Don't retreat, reload.'
Puzzling fact here... Presidents have threats made against them all the time, it's not surprising threats might have increased against Obama since becoming the president. I fail to see any connection with his race, do you have any "specifics" on these threats to show they were motivated by Obama's race? I have talked to a LOT of people, including some who supported and voted for Obama, who are dissatisfied with Obama's policies, and I have YET to run across the first person who says they don't like Obama because he is black. I fail to see what "don't retreat, reload" has to do with this discussion, it's a figure of speech, it was used in context of referring to DEBATE and anyone who isn't mental understands it wasn't intended literally, as some kind of code for a call to arms. Even if you are mental, you should understand there is nothing racist about the statement. 0-2 and 0-3...
Fact: There is a 244% increase in the number of 'patriot' groups in America many (most?) of whom see the government as their enemy.
Again, another stupid and presumptive "fact" that really doesn't mean what you wish to imply and insinuate. Irrelevant. 0-4
Fact: Anti immigration groups in America have increased by 80% to 2009.
Not true. There might have been an increase in anti-ILLEGAL-immigration groups... But 98% of those who oppose illegal immigration, are in favor of immigrants and legal immigration. 0-5
Fact: Quote by M. Doudou Diene (ex U.N.): Racism and racial discrimination have profoundly and lastingly marked and structured American society.
LMFAO... Uhm... Since when do we use quotes stating an opinion, as "FACTS?" 0-6!
You didn't do so well. Pinhead!
I don't proudly call where I live Confederate America. The Confederacy ceased to exist in 1864, when the Civil War ended. I do proudly honor my two dead thrice-great uncles who died fighting in that war, under the flag of the CSA. For the record, they were 1/2 Cherokee... halfbreeds. I have a mirror in the bathroom, I have no problem looking at myself in it every morning, and I have tinfoil on the windows to keep the heat out of the trailer.You have no idea have you. You sit there in what you are proud to call Confederate America. Are the windows in your house mirrored? Because you cannot see through them you just see reflections of yourself.
Yes you are in a minority, most people aren't racist like you. Most people understand that we are all part of the same human family, and our attributes are dependent on character of the individual, and not color of pigmentation in the skin. Only a very small minority of people in the world are obsessed with race, and prejudiced because of it. Only a small number of people feel compelled to use race as a crutch or a sword. I am actually a distant cousin of Obama on his mother's side, she was part Cherokee, and we have a common ancestor, according to Ancestry.com... I also have some Creole blood... go look at some Creole people and see what color they are... I am 'officially' a Native American, declared as such in the census, and documented with the government. My family heritage is diverse, I have some really odd mixtures of 'mutt' culture... gypsy-like... I have Asian blood... even my European 'whiteness' is shrouded in peasantry, oppression, discrimination of the highest order. My ancestors were literally run out of Germany into the Black Forest, and fled Europe to avoid being killed, calling themselves "Black Dutch." They were the original "Black Dutch" as it would later become common for mixed race (Indian/White) people to call themselves "Black Dutch" to avoid being stigmatized and discriminated against. So this has nothing to do with who we are or what we are, this has to do with you being a bigoted racist, and not wanting to admit that is what you are.I do not need to defend myself, as I stated before, I am in a racial minority. Indeed we often, in jest, refer to ourselves as 'white wogs'. People will stand before they occupy a seat next to a white person on the train or bus. Everyone is first identified by their colour or race. We are bumped and pushed because we don't 'exist' in the eyes of many of the older Chinese. However, like you, they will never admit their racism.
No, you are certainly not entitled to be prejudiced against me because of your own bigoted perceptions. You are indeed prejudiced against me for the same reason you are a racist bigot, you can't help yourself. I understand, I have lived with prejudiced people around me all my life. Racism does indeed "stink" it's downright evil. This is why I feel it is important to make you confront your bigotry instead of just letting it slide. I could have easily avoided responding to your post, and put you on ignore, I didn't need to confront you on this. But you are a racist, a prejudiced, bigoted, racist... and you have now resorted to justifying your behavior, since I have exposed you. After you move beyond denial, you will experience remorse and anger, and finally, acceptance. Perhaps one day you can join the majority again?So when I accuse you of being against Obama because of his colour I am fully entitled to throw your deepest prejudices in your face, Dixie. Fully entitled. The man is so much better than bush that to be voriforously opposed to him must include a racial element. There can by no other reason.
Racism stinks and if I can make anyone rethink their view by mirroring their darkest thoughts I will.
Dixie, I thank you for that. However I can assure you that the figures I have quoted are from your country and backed by official statistics. I will not give you sources because I accept that your statements above have shown you to hold reasoably balanced views and I will gladly withdraw my accusations that you are racist.
However, you know and I know and most people here know that racism continues to be a concern in America and that part, if not all, the anti Obama feeling is motivated by that. (What was the 'birther' movement about if not racism?).
Similarly, many here know that I am not racist (and for the pebble kicker, certainly not homophobic). I have never been racist even though, like you I suspect, I was brought up at a time when what we now call racism was rife. My goodness when I was at school I even had a friend who was German!!
The reason for my description of life as an ex-pat here was to show you that I fully understand how minorities feel when faced with a hidden and unspoken racism. Personally I do not care and I would have to think quite carefully before classifying my friends and colleagues.
Where we differ and this is why this particular argument should draw to a close (to make room for another maybe) is that I am a socialist. I was given a fairly priviledged upbringing where I was taught - yes, actually taught - that I, and my class mates, would always 'be in control' of people and that people who lived in council accommodation (government housing) were a lesser breed.
I turned my back on all that in favour of simple justice, honesty and fair play.
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/blog.php?u=237
If you feel so inclined a comment would be appreciated.
Respect a believers right to believe, but they should damn well repect our right to challenge such utterly illogical notions.
I highly doubt your statistics, if they suggest racial violence is on the rise in America. Any stat can be manipulated to show whatever you wish to show. There is no doubt, you have soaked up some propaganda and believed it to be the truth, but if you would bother investigating history, you would realize there is nothing even remotely close to truth in your statement. During the 1910s through the 1920s, gangs of whites would literally drive through black neighborhoods killing black people, death tolls were in the thousands annually, this went on for decades in America, and not just in the South, but all over America, in places like Milwaukee, Wisconsin and Detroit, Michigan. Even into the 1970s, there were numerous racial riots in Watts, LA, Boston, etc. We see nothing remotely like that today in America, anywhere! So how the hell do you figure racial violence is on the rise in America? It is an absurd supposition on the face. Now maybe some pinhead wants to look at some specific detail of reported incidents between March of 2001 and December of 2008, and make some implication that just isn't true or accurate, I don't know. But it is just a statement of pure ignorance to say that racial violence in America is "on the rise" when that simply isn't reality.
I appreciate you withdrawing your accusations, but I disagree with your point about racism being a concern or the 'birther' movement being motivated by racism. Do you not comprehend that we have a Constitutional requirement, that the president has to be born in the United States to be eligible to serve? It doesn't matter what color he is, there is no provision about his race, only that he be BORN IN THE US. It doesn't matter if you like him, or if he looks handsome and speaks well, or if he has the charisma to get people to vote for him in droves... none of that trumps the Constitutional requirement of being BORN IN THE US. You are the one who is once again showing your bigotry here, by presuming to know why people just must be opposed to this man, and you have nothing to base that on except your bigotry and prejudiced views. The issue of his birth is about a principle established in the Constitution, and some people feel strongly that it should be adhered to. It wouldn't matter if he was pink and green, it has nothing to do with what color he is!I will not give you sources because I accept that your statements above have shown you to hold reasoably balanced views and I will gladly withdraw my accusations that you are racist.
However, you know and I know and most people here know that racism continues to be a concern in America and that part, if not all, the anti Obama feeling is motivated by that. (What was the 'birther' movement about if not racism?).
You just nailed it, you are a socialist. You and Obama believe in Marxist socialism, and you are determined to destroy America and rebuild it as a Socialist empire. Ironic that you profess to be against the class injustice of people in government housing versus the politicos who 'control' them, and you also support the political entity which seeks to keep people in government housing, beholden to the politicos who keep the government money flowing to them. It seems if you really wanted "justice" for those imprisoned to government, you would endorse "empowerment" through freedom and capitalism, instead of seeking to keep them "on the plantation" as it were. I think this is often how bigoted people get trapped into supporting the very thing they claim to oppose. You see, you actually DO think of people on government assistance as being inferior, this is why you feel so compelled to do something to "help" them. I know people who have been on government assistance, and some of them are among the smartest people I have ever met. Many of the people currently on welfare, need the chance to succeed, and they can't get there through welfare. It's a ball and chain, they are shackled to a monthly check and government dwelling, and can never afford to step out of that situation and thrive in the capitalist free-market system. You wish to enable this system to continue, throw them a few more dollars... because you think they are hopelessly dependent on your charity, because they are inferior people. The difference between you and I is, I believe in those people, I think they can succeed just like anyone can, and they need the motivation and chance to do so.Similarly, many here know that I am not racist (and for the pebble kicker, certainly not homophobic). I have never been racist even though, like you I suspect, I was brought up at a time when what we now call racism was rife. My goodness when I was at school I even had a friend who was German!!
The reason for my description of life as an ex-pat here was to show you that I fully understand how minorities feel when faced with a hidden and unspoken racism. Personally I do not care and I would have to think quite carefully before classifying my friends and colleagues.
Where we differ and this is why this particular argument should draw to a close (to make room for another maybe) is that I am a socialist. I was given a fairly priviledged upbringing where I was taught - yes, actually taught - that I, and my class mates, would always 'be in control' of people and that people who lived in council accommodation (government housing) were a lesser breed.
I turned my back on all that in favour of simple justice, honesty and fair play.
Whoa, Dixie. Obama is no more a Marxist than you are. You are beginning to believe your own propaganda. When I use English it is English. When you use it it is American. You use, for example, of the word 'Liberal' assigns a meaning which is unique to America. In the UK we have a Liberal (Lib Dem), Tory coalition government. Not a Liberal Labour coalition! And do remember that it is our language!
Why should I be determined to destroy YOUR country? Are you mad? I, like most people, look forward to the day that we can treat you as we once did, as equals, as true allies, as a people whose standards of fairness and democracy are akin to our own. I want your country to live - not die.
Your next error is to totally misunderstand my motives for breaking free of my prep school childhood. I do not see people in government housing as inferior I see people who are brought up as I was brought up as inferior and my 'kicking against the traces' was for me and my concience not as my support for the poor.
Whether they be rich or poor it was the class we were taught to look down upon. You, I suspect, can not understand that. You live in a country where class and money are synonymous. The England of my childhoos was not like that at all.
So my politics are socialist - not communist - and based upon justice and level playing fields. Honesty in personal and business relationships and respect for all who strive for a society that cares for its people and its environment.
I stand against liars and cheats, I am against bigots (strange that in your innocence you should label me thus) and corruption and I believe that, while in some cases greed can be a force for societal good, if it goes unchecked it can kill more than guns can.
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/blog.php?u=237
If you feel so inclined a comment would be appreciated.
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