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    Default Birtherism Is Dead. Long Live Birtherism.

    Slate breaks down the birther movement from its earliest stages. I only copied the 1st paragraph of each section since the entire article is three pages long.

    Birtherism Is Dead. Long Live Birtherism.
    The history of a national embarrassment, and why it's not over yet.
    By David WeigelPosted Wednesday, April 27, 2011, at 7:31 PM ET

    Paleobirtherism: 2003-07
    In the beginning, there was no controversy whatsoever about Obama's family ties to Kenya. Reporters mentioned them when he became president of the Harvard Law Review. Book reviewers mentioned them when he released Dreams From My Father in 1996. In late 2003, when Obama jumped into the open race for Illinois' U.S. Senate seat, conspiracy theorists were more focused on his middle and last names than his birthplace.

    Proto-birtherism: April 2008 to June 11, 2008

    In March and April 2008, Clinton regained ground and looked to have some chance of beating Obama for the Democratic nomination. This was the time when some Clinton supporters started glomming on to any rumor that looked dangerous. A chain letter from American missionaries in Kenya did the trick: It claimed that Obama's real middle name was "Mohammed."

    Short-form birtherism: June 12, 2008 to March 2009
    The release of Obama's COLB did not end birtherism. More accurately, it created it. The one-page document, which had the basics about Obama's birth and the weight of Hawaii's government behind it, inspired a mad rush of would-be forgery analysts and detectives.

    Birtherism, the Democratic tactic: March 2009 to January 2011
    In March 2009, with very little fanfare, Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla., introduced one of his first pieces of legislation...
    "To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee's statement of organization a copy of the candidate's birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution."
    For the first time, an elected office-holder had indulged the birther theory.

    Birtherism, the Republican tactic: January 2011 to April 27, 2011
    Republicans won big in 2010, and they won especially large landslides in some red and blue states.* In 2010, "birther bills" were distractions, doomed from the outset. In 2011, there were legislatures with big Republican majorities ready to pass them. Birtherism stopped being a joke. All of a sudden, the Republicans who believed in it were on cable TV, talking about the need to find out where Obama was born.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2292306/pagenum/3


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    I find it just mind boggling that otherwise intelligent people have allowed this pathetic issue to be given any credence, it is beyond parody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom prendergast View Post
    I find it just mind boggling that otherwise intelligent people have allowed this pathetic issue to be given any credence, it is beyond parody.
    I find it mind boggling that nobody will say flat out what it is about Obama that makes them so suspicious.

    They all fall back on the "what": "We're suspicious because it took him three years to release the long form."

    They all ignore the "why": "Why does Obama have to meet a different standard than all presidents before him? Why does he have to release what no other president had to release?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by King of Kings View Post
    Its about time it died. Issue needs to be gone when Obama runs again, so that he can't benefit from it.
    Fortunately there are 18 months to the election. Hopefully this will die down in a week or two and we will be over it.

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    i hope its over...though i suspect the some will never give up their belief....just as there are the the trufers and those who believe bush stole the election....though, hopefully the birther issue will not be as loud as the trufer and election people...eg...virtually silent

    we don't need this, it doesn't help, obama has enough valid issues he can be tackled on

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    I find it mind boggling that nobody will say flat out what it is about Obama that makes them so suspicious.

    They all fall back on the "what": "We're suspicious because it took him three years to release the long form."

    They all ignore the "why": "Why does Obama have to meet a different standard than all presidents before him? Why does he have to release what no other president had to release?"
    wacko lefties like yourself only further antagonize the issue...you have been repeatedly informed of what it is about obama that makes people suspicious. however, you are never satisfied with the answers because you already have an answer in your head - race. but you won't admit it. you will never satisfied with any answer about obama until someone comes out and says - yeah christie, its because he is black.

    i'm sure there are those that believe it because he is black, but there are many more who don't. you're as bad, if not worse than the birthers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    wacko lefties like yourself only further antagonize the issue...you have been repeatedly informed of what it is about obama that makes people suspicious. however, you are never satisfied with the answers because you already have an answer in your head - race. but you won't admit it. you will never satisfied with any answer about obama until someone comes out and says - yeah christie, its because he is black.

    i'm sure there are those that believe it because he is black, but there are many more who don't. you're as bad, if not worse than the birthers.
    What people like you repeatedly say is that Obama: should have released the long form; shouldn't have waited three years to do it; is possibly hiding something on it; is spending millions of dollars on lawyers to keep hiding something on it; is not being open and transparent; should not have let it get this far; is 100% responsible for birthers being suspicious: yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah.

    What people like you don't say is why they believe all the above. And please, not the same circular reasoning people like you have used all along: He didn't show the long form so we're suspicious/we're only suspicious because he didn't show the long form.


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    Quote Originally Posted by King of Kings View Post
    Its about time it died. Issue needs to be gone when Obama runs again, so that he can't benefit from it.
    By creating a head and then bursting it, Trump has done the republican that will actually run against Obama a huge favor, this will long have died down by then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    i hope its over...though i suspect the some will never give up their belief....just as there are the the trufers and those who believe bush stole the election....though, hopefully the birther issue will not be as loud as the trufer and election people...eg...virtually silent

    we don't need this, it doesn't help, obama has enough valid issues he can be tackled on

    But Bush lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    wacko lefties like yourself only further antagonize the issue...you have been repeatedly informed of what it is about obama that makes people suspicious. however, you are never satisfied with the answers because you already have an answer in your head - race. but you won't admit it. you will never satisfied with any answer about obama until someone comes out and says - yeah christie, its because he is black.

    i'm sure there are those that believe it because he is black, but there are many more who don't. you're as bad, if not worse than the birthers.

    I haven't seen a single legitimate or reasonable response to why the short form wasn't good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Slate breaks down the birther movement from its earliest stages. I only copied the 1st paragraph of each section since the entire article is three pages long.

    Birtherism Is Dead. Long Live Birtherism.
    The history of a national embarrassment, and why it's not over yet.
    By David WeigelPosted Wednesday, April 27, 2011, at 7:31 PM ET

    Paleobirtherism: 2003-07
    In the beginning, there was no controversy whatsoever about Obama's family ties to Kenya. Reporters mentioned them when he became president of the Harvard Law Review. Book reviewers mentioned them when he released Dreams From My Father in 1996. In late 2003, when Obama jumped into the open race for Illinois' U.S. Senate seat, conspiracy theorists were more focused on his middle and last names than his birthplace.

    Proto-birtherism: April 2008 to June 11, 2008

    In March and April 2008, Clinton regained ground and looked to have some chance of beating Obama for the Democratic nomination. This was the time when some Clinton supporters started glomming on to any rumor that looked dangerous. A chain letter from American missionaries in Kenya did the trick: It claimed that Obama's real middle name was "Mohammed."

    Short-form birtherism: June 12, 2008 to March 2009
    The release of Obama's COLB did not end birtherism. More accurately, it created it. The one-page document, which had the basics about Obama's birth and the weight of Hawaii's government behind it, inspired a mad rush of would-be forgery analysts and detectives.

    Birtherism, the Democratic tactic: March 2009 to January 2011
    In March 2009, with very little fanfare, Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla., introduced one of his first pieces of legislation...
    "To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee's statement of organization a copy of the candidate's birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution."
    For the first time, an elected office-holder had indulged the birther theory.

    Birtherism, the Republican tactic: January 2011 to April 27, 2011
    Republicans won big in 2010, and they won especially large landslides in some red and blue states.* In 2010, "birther bills" were distractions, doomed from the outset. In 2011, there were legislatures with big Republican majorities ready to pass them. Birtherism stopped being a joke. All of a sudden, the Republicans who believed in it were on cable TV, talking about the need to find out where Obama was born.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2292306/pagenum/3
    A little historical revision of history by omission of known facts...

    The Father of the Birther Movement was a Democrat and ardent supporter of Hillary.

    Philip Berg, the Philadelphia attorney who filed suit against Illinois senator Barack Obama in Federal Court in Philadelphia, questioning the constitutional eligibility of his candidacy for president.
    Berg filed a complaint in federal district court on August 21, 2008, against Democratic Party presidential nominee Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, alleging that Obama was born actually in Mombasa, Kenya and that the "Certification of Live Birth" on Obama's website is a forgery.

    Note....though the lawsuit was filed in August, 2008...the claims against Obamas citizenship started in early 2008 as Berg stumped for Hillary Clinton...even so, Hillary had nothing to do with Berg or his lawsuit...
    ]
    Served as Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania for eight years, ran twice for governor in 1990 and 1998 and once for the U.S. Senate in 1994, was former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County and a former member of the Democratic State Committee...........

    He believes that the United States government was behind the attacks of September 11, 2001. He was an ardent supporter of Hillary Clinton's candidacy during the primaries; and said he would sell tee shirts showing the former first lady and one of her quotes ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good," said in June 2004)
    Put blame where it belongs
    ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravo View Post
    A little historical revision of history by omission of known facts...

    The Father of the Birther Movement was a Democrat and ardent supporter of Hillary.

    Philip Berg, the Philadelphia attorney who filed suit against Illinois senator Barack Obama in Federal Court in Philadelphia, questioning the constitutional eligibility of his candidacy for president.
    Berg filed a complaint in federal district court on August 21, 2008, against Democratic Party presidential nominee Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, alleging that Obama was born actually in Mombasa, Kenya and that the "Certification of Live Birth" on Obama's website is a forgery.

    Note....though the lawsuit was filed in August, 2008...the claims against Obamas citizenship started in early 2008 as Berg stumped for Hillary Clinton...even so, Hillary had nothing to do with Berg or his lawsuit...
    ]
    Served as Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania for eight years, ran twice for governor in 1990 and 1998 and once for the U.S. Senate in 1994, was former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County and a former member of the Democratic State Committee...........

    He believes that the United States government was behind the attacks of September 11, 2001. He was an ardent supporter of Hillary Clinton's candidacy during the primaries; and said he would sell tee shirts showing the former first lady and one of her quotes ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good," said in June 2004)
    If you had read the entire article, you'd have seen Berg mentioned in this section: Short-form birtherism: June 12, 2008 to March 2009


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    because he is black and blacks are required to show their id papers whenever they are asked for them or the have a sudden encounter with a wall and a jail cell
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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelTufnel View Post
    I haven't seen a single legitimate or reasonable response to why the short form wasn't good enough.
    that isn't what christie is talking about....she is talking about ANY suspicion

    i've always agreed with you on the short form...so i have no idea why you keep asking me about, despite that i've tried to GUESS why they think it is not enough.

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