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    It was made illegal in 1937, Nixon may have racheted up but not like reagan. Just look at the prison population explosion in the 80's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topspin View Post
    It was made illegal in 1937, Nixon may have racheted up but not like reagan. Just look at the prison population explosion in the 80's.
    There are a fuck ton of contributing factors in both. But this is academic in any case. We both know it's pointless and outright criminal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C'Thulhu View Post
    Nixon was the first to declare the 'war' on drugs and drug use.
    Another phoney! He was a prescription drug abuser, but that was different, right
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topspin View Post
    no it didn't
    this is actually true, however, nixons first move was to have congress enact laws against pot like they did against guns. You couldn't posses marijuana without some high priced tax stamp, but they would never issue the stamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topspin View Post
    no it didn't
    yes, it did.... and if you will note... the prison population exploded under Clinton... not Reagan
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    It seems like the three strikes law had something to do with that and wasn't that in the 90's?
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    total deflection by SF, it exploded under Reagan and kept going under clinton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damn Yankee View Post
    I obviously have the capacity to think, and do so logically and with reason and judgement. Pot takes all that away.

    Is there any legitimate inventions that have been created by pot heads? There are not, so your argument is destroyed.
    Prove it. Prove nothing was ever invent by a pot user.




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    http://www.bestoftheblogs.com/Home/33038

    And when the rate of incarceration per 100,000 people is considered, the United States doesn't look any better. Here are the top twenty countries with the highest incarceration rates:


    1. United States...............738
    2. Russian Federation...............607
    3. Cuba...............487
    4. Ukraine...............360
    5. Singapore...............350
    6. Botswana...............339
    7. South Africa...............335
    8. Taiwan...............259
    9. Thailand...............257
    10. United Arab Emirates...............250
    11. Poland...............228
    12. Israel...............209
    13. Libya...............207
    14. Iran...............206
    15. Mexico...............196
    16. Brazil...............191
    17. Uzbekistan...............184
    18. Lebanon...............168
    19. Columbia...............152
    20. Argentina...............148


    Compare the 738 per 100,000 people of the United States to many other developed democratic nations:


    United Kingdom...............145
    Spain...............145
    Australia...............126
    Canada...............107
    Italy...............102
    Germany...............95
    France...............88
    Ireland...............78
    Sweden...............78
    Japan...............62


    Even such countries as China (118), Iraq (60) and Pakistan (57) have much lower rates of incarceration than the United States.


    Why is the rate of incarceration so high in the United States? Is the crime rate so much higher in the United States? No. According to criminologists Alfred Blumstein and Allen Beck, the rise in crime can only account for less than 12% of the rise in the prison population since 1980. It is the extremely harsh and long prison sentences being given out in this country that accounts much of the other 88% of the prison population explosion.


    Sadly, the long prison sentences and the rising prison population have not made this a safer country. The violent crime rate, especially murder, remains one of the highest in the civilized world. It has put a strain on this country economically though. The most conservative estimate is that we spend over $42 billion annually to incarcerate our huge prison population (and we still generally have overcrowded and unsafe conditions in most of our prisons).


    Currently there are about 9.2 million people incarcerated worldwide. But if all nations followed United States incarceration policies and regulations, that figure would balloon to over 47.6 million people.


    Another reason for our prison population explosion since 1980 is the failed "war on drugs". The United States incarcerates more people for drug offenses than the European Union incarcerates for all offenses combined, and yet the drug flow into the country and drug use by citizens has not been abated.


    Obviously, we are doing something wrong in this country. A free country should not have a prison population so out-of-whack when compared to the rest of the world (the average rate per 100,000 people worldwide is only 166). We need to take another look at our sentencing policies. We also need to stop the failed "war on drugs" and treat drugs like the medical and education problem that it really is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damn Yankee View Post
    So they made paper out of hemp. And rope. Hemp ain't dope.

    Again, what physical inventions have been discovered while under the influence of pot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topspin View Post
    total deflection by SF, it exploded under Reagan and kept going under clinton.

    Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984

    Seems it is what led to the prisons population explosion under Reagan.

    Reagan started his trend of prison population explosions as Gov of Cali, thanks, I learned something today.
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    Did you write that when you were on dope?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dune View Post
    Prove it. Prove nothing was ever invent by a pot user.
    The onus is on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damn Yankee View Post
    The onus is on you.
    How did your contention that pot makes you "think stupid" become something that can only be disproven by providing evidence of a "physical invention" that was derived from pot use?

    Nice narrowing of the criteria, there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onceler View Post
    How did your contention that pot makes you "think stupid" become something that can only be disproven by providing evidence of a "physical invention" that was derived from pot use?

    Nice narrowing of the criteria, there...
    Inventing stuff that people can use to better their lives is a good example of thing smart, wouldn't you agree? So yeah, dope makes you think, but it makes you think like a dope.

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