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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    do you deny that the foreign policy you complain of resulted in an increase in democracy and free elections in South and Central America, while the system liberals prefer has resulted in Venezuela?
    Ultimately our side lost in Nicaragua. Good thing too, seeing that most of the Contra leadership was involved in drug dealing or were henchmen to Samoza who "disappeared" those people that had the audacity to speak out against him. Things were not much better under the Sandanistas but in the end it was Daniel Ortega that played a large part in free and fair elections in Nicaragua. It was his acceptance of the election of Chamorro's widow that allowed for the first woman president in the Americas....EVER. In 2008 he was re-elected to the presidency. Under the Contras, had they won, NONE of this would have happened. Drugs would have had safe passage to Nicaragua and oppression would have continued.

    The US supported some of the most corrupt and immoral men in latin american history because they were "anti-communist". Duarte of El Salvador and Pinochet were others that we had to take a long hot shower with Lava soap after supporting. We assassinated Allende in favor of a military Junta that had as much in common with freedom and democracy as Stalin.

    The Iran Contra affair is a black mark on the Reagan presidency. Reagan testified that he did not recall having any part in that (plug your ears Dixie) scandal. And maybe he didn't. Either he didn't, and had NO CoNTROL over his cabinet or he lied. Since I don't idolize him, those of you that do, can decide which is the lessor of two blemishes.

    That said, I served in his Army. He, with help, created a US Military that was once again second to none. There was no longer any shame in being an American Soldier. The New GI bill put me through college. When the Iron Curtain fell I went to the Celebration of the liberation of Plzen in 1990, the first one since the Soviets had taken control of all of Czechoslovakia and systematically erased all evidence of the US liberation of Plzen. The people of Plzen treated US soldiers like conquering heros. We were not allowed to spend any money while we were there and an elderly couple who were alive in 1945 put myself and my two roommates up in their house. They thanked us NOT ONLY for the US liberating them from Nazi's but also from the Soviet Union. How Americans were viewed in Eastern Europe had a great deal to do with the foundation Reagan built as president.

    He was not a god, nor was he a demon. In the end, he did something no president had done in 15 years. He made people feel good about being American again. He made us feel like there was a light at the end of the Vietnam-Watergate-Carter malaise. Lefties don't like him because he signified the end of their "New Left" Port Huron statement ideal. Good riddence to that as well. Unfortunately, the Religious Right in this country got it's chops and still has far too much influence in Republican primary politics. Men like Gary Johnson and Ron Paul will never make it out of the Primaries because they refuse to tow the christian line. Sad, because I honestly believe Reagan would support Johnson or Paul over someone like Huckabee or Palin. Ulitimately Reagan was about strengthening the American economy and paid lip service to things like abortion to keep the religious right in the fold. All in all he was a great president, warts and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holy Potatoes! View Post
    dixie please name at least 5 mainstream politicians in this country that are to the right of you.

    please also outline some of your moderate social views.

    note: life in prison instead of death penalty for smoking weed is not a moderate view
    I did the second one earlier in the thread, when I first responded to the allegation I was "far right" ...I guess you missed that. I will reiterate here.

    5 politicians to the right of me? Well, there aren't many to the right of me on fiscal issues, as I stated, I am very devoutly conservative when it comes to the size and scope of government. On social issues, almost every Republican is to the right of me on gay marriage, I favor Civil Unions and getting government out of the marriage business, which isn't something being articulated by ANY Republican I know of... Plenty of Republicans are also to the right of me when it comes to my stance on abortion. I believe, at best, it is a states rights issue, which shouldn't involve the Federal government. Since you bring up pot, I might add, my position on pot is in favor of "decriminalization" (...not legalization.) Again, not something I am hearing proposed by anyone in the Republican party.

    Now that I have answered your questions, how about answering some for me? What viewpoints do I have that you consider "extreme?" Name a few positions I have taken that could be considered "FAR RIGHT" as was claimed?

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    The Iran Contra affair is a black mark on the Reagan presidency.
    Why is that? Because YOU proclaimed it to be???
    You people are a fucking piece of work, you know that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie View Post
    Why is that? Because YOU proclaimed it to be???
    You people are a fucking piece of work, you know that?
    No, because it violated the law. He was specifically forbidden to send money to the Contras. Weapons were sold to our enemy, (the Iranians) so that the money could be funneled to the Contras, drug dealers and anti-democracy Samoza henchmen. How you can spin ANY of this as positive is beyond me. Like I said, maybe Reagan didn't have any control of this. Maybe it was just Oliver North and Wild Bill Casey. If so then Reagan had no control of his cabinet. If he did have control of his cabinet, then he lied under oath about knowing about Arms for hostages and money to the Contras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socrtease View Post
    No, because it violated the law. He was specifically forbidden to send money to the Contras. Weapons were sold to our enemy, (the Iranians) so that the money could be funneled to the Contras, drug dealers and anti-democracy Samoza henchmen. How you can spin ANY of this as positive is beyond me. Like I said, maybe Reagan didn't have any control of this. Maybe it was just Oliver North and Wild Bill Casey. If so then Reagan had no control of his cabinet. If he did have control of his cabinet, then he lied under oath about knowing about Arms for hostages and money to the Contras.
    Seems like you are drawing a lot of conclusions to make it into a black mark on Reagan. If someone violated the law, why didn't they go to jail? If there was all of this connection of the dots, why wasn't it made, and why wasn't Reagan impeached over it? Violating the law rises to that level, I would think.

    The fact is, pinhead... you got nothing. You didn't have anything then, you sure don't have it now, and you are huffing and puffing about nothingness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie View Post
    Castro, Kim Jong Ill, Hugo Chavez... all in bed with Communist Russia.
    Ahmadinejad, as well as leaders from several African nations... all in bed with Radical Islam. Iron fisted rulers? Where do you want me to begin, there are dozens of them currently in power.
    Castro was a communist certainly. Kim is an authoritarian, as far away from communism as you are, Chavez is a socialist - big difference. None of them can be in bed with communist Russia since there is no such place. Russia is corrupt, yes but it is NOT communist. Ahmadinejad is communist?? Do the mullahs know? As far as I know there are certainly dictators in Africa and many not the sort one would invite to tea, but communists...Not a one!
    I suggest, Dixie, and I do not wish to insult you, but I suggest you spend a little of your valuable time researching the meanings of the words you throw about as if they are bullets from your little gun aimed, but way off target, at flocks of birds who dont know you exist.
    There have been times when I have agreed with what you say, Dixie, but as long as you trumpet these nonsenses any credibility you might have had will be a thing of the past.
    http://www.justplainpolitics.com/blog.php?u=237
    If you feel so inclined a comment would be appreciated.

    Respect a believers right to believe, but they should damn well repect our right to challenge such utterly illogical notions.


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