Great point on illegal immigration

[Yurt]

How much does the ticket cost that LEGAL immigrants purchase before they enter into this country?

Otherwise the analogy is totally invalid.

actually dumbass....it does cost to come here legally....you have to pay all sorts of fees for the paperwork to be here legally

way to display that zappa ignorance

[Yurt]

It was a huge issue already, the dint in az used it to rile up the trailer trash.

ged, kkk, poor

[christiefan915]

How much does the ticket cost that LEGAL immigrants purchase before they enter into this country?

Otherwise the analogy is totally invalid.

Yep.

The illegal immigrants are coming into the country to work. They are being illegally employed, which is not the equivalent of sneaking into the field without a ticket to watch a game. Employers are permitted or, should I say required, to check immigration status but they'll overlook the fine print in order to hire cheap labor.... unlike an usher, who can throw out a gate-crasher. The illegal immigrants are paying for their food and living expenses, local taxes, in some cases FICA, so they're not "watching the game for free, refreshments included". And hospitals are required to see and stabilize everybody, immigrant or not, regardless of ability to pay. Where's a statistic showing that every illegal immigrant who sought treatment didn't pay for it? What about the legal immigrants and citizens who don't pay?

I think Brewer's analogy fails.

[Yurt]

Yep.

The illegal immigrants are coming into the country to work. They are being illegally employed, which is not the equivalent of sneaking into the field without a ticket to watch a game. Employers are permitted or, should I say required, to check immigration status but they'll overlook the fine print in order to hire cheap labor.... unlike an usher, who can throw out a gate-crasher. The illegal immigrants are paying for their food and living expenses, local taxes, in some cases FICA, so they're not "watching the game for free, refreshments included". And hospitals are required to see and stabilize everybody, immigrant or not, regardless of ability to pay. Where's a statistic showing that every illegal immigrant who sought treatment didn't pay for it? What about the legal immigrants and citizens who don't pay?

I think Brewer's analogy fails.

so if someone snuck into the arena without a ticket, but picked up a broom and started sweeping ringside....its a-ok because they are working, they didn't break the law by getting in without a ticket, because they are working....it doesn't matter if they get free services, because they are working....

[Don Quixote]

Completely valid analogy.

even the free food and drink?

plus you ignored the part about working illegals

what if the people sneaking in cleaned up the park after the event

not a valid analogy regarding working illegals

[Yurt]

even the free food and drink?

plus you ignored the part about working illegals

what if the people sneaking in cleaned up the park after the event

not a valid analogy regarding working illegals

then that makes it ok.....

according to the lefty elites....go ahead, come to this country illegally, but you have to clean up our trash....

[Don Quixote]

then that makes it ok.....

according to the lefty elites....go ahead, come to this country illegally, but you have to clean up our trash....

mow our lawns, clean our homes, watch our kids...

[Dungheap]

actually dumbass....it does cost to come here legally....you have to pay all sorts of fees for the paperwork to be here legally

way to display that zappa ignorance

Well, legally immigrating to the United States isn't like a basketball game where you can simply shell out a set amount of cash to purchase a ticket allowing you to enter. Yes, it cost money but it isn't as simple as purchasing a ticket. I mean, if there were legal ways for anyone that wanted to immigrate to the United States to simply pay a fee legally enter the country then your point would be valid. But that's just not how it works.

[christiefan915]

so if someone snuck into the arena without a ticket, but picked up a broom and started sweeping ringside....its a-ok because they are working, they didn't break the law by getting in without a ticket, because they are working....it doesn't matter if they get free services, because they are working....

Sneaking into the stadium without management's knowledge and sweeping is not the same as actually being hired by a person to do a specific job, and actually working and getting paid for that job....even though both employer and employee are doing something illegal.

[Don Quixote]

Well, legally immigrating to the United States isn't like a basketball game where you can simply shell out a set amount of cash to purchase a ticket allowing you to enter. Yes, it cost money but it isn't as simple as purchasing a ticket. I mean, if there were legal ways for anyone that wanted to immigrate to the United States to simply pay a fee legally enter the country then your point would be valid. But that's just not how it works.

you forgot to mention it would be easier to deport criminals if people had to be documented to enter the country for purposes of work

[Yurt]

Well, legally immigrating to the United States isn't like a basketball game where you can simply shell out a set amount of cash to purchase a ticket allowing you to enter. Yes, it cost money but it isn't as simple as purchasing a ticket. I mean, if there were legal ways for anyone that wanted to immigrate to the United States to simply pay a fee legally enter the country then your point would be valid. But that's just not how it works.

apparently you and christie have no idea of what an analogy is

seriously nigel....you fail on this one....and its embarrassing

you're trying to make it identical....its not, its an analogy...google is your friend

[Dungheap]

apparently you and christie have no idea of what an analogy is

seriously nigel....you fail on this one....and its embarrassing

you're trying to make it identical....its not, its an analogy...google is your friend

I understand that it's an analogy. I'm simply pointing out why it's not a terribly compelling one. The inadequacies of the analogy are also a good example of why I don't find arguments based on abstract analogies to be very good arguments.

[christiefan915]

apparently you and christie have no idea of what an analogy is

seriously nigel....you fail on this one....and its embarrassing

you're trying to make it identical....its not, its an analogy...google is your friend

Sure I do. Brewer is positing that all immigrants come here simply to live off the system, but in truth they're coming here to work, mainly at the jobs Americans won't do. She left out the whole "work" part in her comment, ergo the main point is dissimilar to the reality of illegal immigration.

[Liberty]

Yep.

The illegal immigrants are coming into the country to work. They are being illegally employed, which is not the equivalent of sneaking into the field without a ticket to watch a game. Employers are permitted or, should I say required, to check immigration status but they'll overlook the fine print in order to hire cheap labor.... unlike an usher, who can throw out a gate-crasher. The illegal immigrants are paying for their food and living expenses, local taxes, in some cases FICA, so they're not "watching the game for free, refreshments included". And hospitals are required to see and stabilize everybody, immigrant or not, regardless of ability to pay. Where's a statistic showing that every illegal immigrant who sought treatment didn't pay for it? What about the legal immigrants and citizens who don't pay?

I think Brewer's analogy fails.

But I say it's on my dime.

I say you're wrong.

It would be a lot simpler if you payed the difference.

But unfortunatly I'm involved.

Until you come up with the money I'm expected to pay, and you personally pay for it for me, (that which would be MY FAIR SHARE), It's not fair to me.

It's not fair at all!