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LOL yeah, people are becoming more and more convinced that humans are the cause of climate changes. The natural earth cycles and solar cycles have nothing to do with it.
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Americans and Global Climate Change
MSM in America today is often a corporate tool, and as it becomes more and more concentrated and controlled, will be nothing but a voice for monied interests. The majority of Americans do not enjoy the leisure of time or reasoned information. Good information is there, but so long as Fox, Rasmussen, corporate sponsored think tanks, and talking heads fill the air with distortions, it will harder and harder to arrive at common ground. The several pieces below demonstrates that aspect of information and knowledge today in America surrounding global climate change.
'The Climate Majority' by Jon A. Krosnick
"...[N]ational surveys released during the last eight months have been interpreted as showing that fewer and fewer Americans believe that climate change is real, human-caused and threatening to people.
But a closer look at these polls and a new survey by my Political Psychology Research Group show just the opposite: huge majorities of Americans still believe the earth has been gradually warming as the result of human activity and want the government to institute regulations to stop it. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/09/op...9krosnick.html
http://woods.stanford.edu/docs/surve...s-June2010.pdf
"The 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy." Alex Carey
LOL yeah, people are becoming more and more convinced that humans are the cause of climate changes. The natural earth cycles and solar cycles have nothing to do with it.
The Science-Denier Follies, Part Trois:
A Standing Challenge to “Climate Gate” Comedians……..
Please post a link to a reputable scientific body or organization, of international standing and that has expertise in climate science, whom support your speculations, assertions, and guesses that climate change of the last 50 years is due to natural factors; that liberal climate scientists committed fraudulent research; or that human influence on climate is highly dubious, insignificant, and/or extremely suspect.
I’ve been waiting for months, if not years, for science deniers to provide such a link.
”As of in 2007, no remaining scientific body of national or international standing on the planet is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate change” (Wikipedia, 2010)Some scientific conclusions or theories have been so thoroughly examined and tested, and supported by so many independent observations and results, that their likelihood of subsequently being found to be wrong is vanishingly small. Such conclusions and theories are then regarded as settled facts. This is the case for the conclusions that the Earth system is warming and that much of this warming is very likely due to human activities.
-US National Academy of Sciences, 2010”Observations show that warming of the climate is unequivocal. The global warming observed over the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced emissions of heat-trapping gases. These emissions come mainly from the burning of fossil fuels (coal, oil, and gas), with important contributions from the clearing of forests, agricultural practices, and other activities.”
--From: Definitive Report on Climate Change, 2009
By The United States Global Change Research Program
A Consortium of National Entities Including:
National Science Foundation
Smithsonian Institute
Department of Energy
NASA
Department of Defense
US Environmental Protection Agency“Observations throughout the world make it clear thatclimate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver. .These conclusions are based on multiple independent lines of evidence, and contrary assertions are inconsistent with a n objective assessment of the vast body of peer-reviewed science. … If we are to avoid the most severe impacts of climate change, emissions of greenhouse gases must be dramatically reduced.”
--Joint Statement to US Congress, 2009, by
the American Association for the Advancement of Science,
the American Geophysical Union,
the American Meteorological Society,
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research (e.g., Stanford, Johns Hopkins University, UC Berkley, etc)
and other highly reputable scientific bodies.“A strong, credible body of scientific evidence shows that climate change is occurring, is caused largely by human activities, and poses significant risks for—and in many cases is already affecting—a broad range of human and natural systems.”
-U.S. National Research Council, 2010"Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming," These climate changes, best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century."
-American Geophysical Union, 2008“In recent decades, humans have increasingly affected local, regional, and global climate by altering the flows of radiative energy and water through the Earth system (resulting in changes in temperature, winds, rainfall, etc.), which comprises the atmosphere, land surface, vegetation, ocean, land ice, and sea ice. Indeed, strong observational evidence and results from modeling studies indicate that, at least over the last 50 years, human activities are a major contributor to climate change”.
--American Meteorological Society, 2009“The vast preponderance of evidence, based on years of research conducted by a wide array of different investigators at many institutions, clearly indicates that global climate change is real, it is caused largely by human activities, and the need to take action is urgent,”
-American Association for the Advancement of Science, reaffirmed 2009
Compare above conclusions, with the the scientific "conclusions" of Climate Gate fans as heard on JPP (paraphrased):
Tinfoil: How can anyone believe this shit???!!!!
Damocles: What a bunch of alarmist BS
Bravo: Cypress is a peckerhead!
Dixie: The science has been PROVEN fraudulent!
Superfreak: Some dude who sells mining company stocks for a living, on ClimateAudit.com, says this is all bullshit!
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Mind Pretzel Biting Fly
Cypress, all that is the logical fallacy known as appeal to authority. Authoritative bodies can be wrong, or can knowingly lie, as is the case with global warming. If one examines the facts themselves, it can be perceived that AGW is a lie. A dirty lie, propagated by dirty liars.
Morality is a set of attitudes and behaviors which facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships. --AssHatZombie
"Men think in herds, go mad in herds, but recover their senses one by one." -- Charles Mackay
"AssHat rocks and is fun to have around." -- Damocles
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WOw. It's nice to see Cypress just eat his medicine and stfu.
Morality is a set of attitudes and behaviors which facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships. --AssHatZombie
"Men think in herds, go mad in herds, but recover their senses one by one." -- Charles Mackay
"AssHat rocks and is fun to have around." -- Damocles
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But if scientists can be paid to lie, so can economists. Some of you fiat currency control matrix lovers will now have to also love AGW lies to complete the expertization of human thought.
Morality is a set of attitudes and behaviors which facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships. --AssHatZombie
"Men think in herds, go mad in herds, but recover their senses one by one." -- Charles Mackay
"AssHat rocks and is fun to have around." -- Damocles
Yes, in technical, medical, and scientific areas requiring high levels of expertise, I rely on trained and reputable specialists. See my previous post for a very long, and yet still not comprehensive list, of world-class experts on climate change. I had to keep it short, because if I listed all the world class experts who concur with anthropogenic climate change, you would spend about an hour scrolling down through this thread.Originally Posted by AssHatZombie
Let me get this straight: when you need expert dental surgery, you consider going to a Veterinarian? And you advocate bridges being designed and built by botanists?
Oh wait....you don't?
Neither do I. I rely on experts. Everyone knows why you Sarah Palin fans continue this nonsense. Creationists and Climate Gate clowns, after years of offering spin and lies, became emotionally invested in denying science. And misplaced pride and hubris allowed you to paint yourselves into a corner.
This illustration may be quite helpful.......
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No, you just outsource your thinking. It's an appeal to authority, a logical fallacy. You live in a world of polyanna notions you accept as fact. congratulations on a being a sheeple.
Morality is a set of attitudes and behaviors which facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships. --AssHatZombie
"Men think in herds, go mad in herds, but recover their senses one by one." -- Charles Mackay
"AssHat rocks and is fun to have around." -- Damocles
He worse than that. He refuses to see how he's been duped. OK, OK, I know he's not bright enough to see the errors. You can't fix stupid
We can't fix stupid, but we sure can recognize it....he truely believes consensus = truth....he would have been a good pinhead to have around when the consensus was saying a black man was = to 3/5 or a human, or the sun rotated around the earth.....
Do you you blabber, bluster, and blow smoke ?...then you're likely a Democrat
Originally Posted by Howey
Ridicule of her handicapped son can't be far behindNo. I didn't call Palin a c--t because she's a conservative. I called her a cunt because she's a c--t.
And her daughter's a drunken slut whore.
Didn't she give birth to a drunken fat whore who dropped out of high school
and gave birth to a bastard son
Latest Update on the ClimateGate Clown Challenge:
Have the Climate Gate Clowns been able to dig up one, single, solitary reputable scientific source on climate research, to support their message board speculations?
Sadly, no!
Standing Challenge for Climate Gate Clowns, available at:
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...78&postcount=3
As per usual what we see is plenty of foot stomping, keyboard pounding, and yelps of Cypress being a moron.
Surprisingly, all I do is post what these organizations say about climate change:
In the world of Sarah Palin-worship, and Glenn Beck twitters I suppose these organizations do sound like voodoo or witchcraft to the average, theocratic anti-science wingnut.-US National Academy of Sciences, 2010
-The United States Global Change Research Program
A Consortium of National Entities Including:
National Science Foundation
Smithsonian Institute
Department of Energy
NASA
Department of Defense
US Environmental Protection Agency
-the American Association for the Advancement of Science,
-the American Geophysical Union,
-the American Meteorological Society,
-University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
(e.g., Stanford, Johns Hopkins University, UC Berkley, etc)
-U.S. National Research Council, 2010
-American Geophysical Union, 2008
-American Meteorological Society, 2009
Interim Climate Challenge Note: In a small victory for science and enlightenment, all but the most crazy and fringe of NeoCons (aka, Tinfoil and Dixie) have given up trying to pass off the hilarious claims of "Climate Gate"; an alleged global conspiracy of fraudulent science perpetrated by nefarious, lying liberal climate scientists.
We’ll check back later to see if the Climate Gate clowns have anything more substantially, and scientifically-based to say. Until then, chalk the science-denier rantings up as more comedy gold!
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The same people who deny global climate change would deny the earth is round, germs and not witches cause disease, and flying is possible. It is just the way they are, no amount of reason will convince them. Did you know the earth is the center of the universe?
Would an insane person know they were insane? If you talk to a paranoid schizophrenic could you convince them with reason that no one was following them? In the lesser forms of madness how does one convince a person that life is not one massive global warming advocate conspiracy?
The world cannot argue for itself
The seas and lakes cannot say stop
The air cannot use a ventilator
A dying tree cannot see a doctor
Buffaloes wolves and bears disappear
"We challenged two leading British scientists to try to prove the science of global warming to a group of people whose views very loosely reflect national opinions.
And, as if that wasn't tough enough we asked them to do it in my kitchen.
Can they do it? Well, you can see for yourself."
BBC - Ethical Man blog: In praise of scepticism
IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
400,000 year view global warming
James Balog: Time-lapse proof of extreme ice loss * Video on TED.com
We will be all be dead regardless of who is right - oblivion comes too soon for genuine care.
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there is climate change....
so what, there has been climate change for thousands of years
the big fear mongers out there are pounding the war drums in order to make money...exhibit A:
From: The UK Met - UK’s National Weather and Climate Service
FAQ webpage
Aren’t all these changes down to the Sun and natural factors?
No. Many factors contribute to climate change. Only when all the factors are considered can we explain the size and patterns of climate change over the last century.
Although some people claim that the Sun and cosmic rays are responsible for climate change, measured solar activity shows no significant change in the last few decades, while global temperatures have increased significantly. Since the Industrial Revolution, additional greenhouse gases have had about ten times the effect on climate as changes in the Sun’s output.
Much of the relatively small climate variability over the last 1,000 years, but before industrialisation, can be explained by changes in solar output and occasional cooling due to major volcanic eruptions. Since industrialisation, CO2 has increased significantly. We now know that man-made CO2 is the likely cause of most of the warming over the last 50 years.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatec...ck/doubts.htmlYou an anonymous message board poster with zero scientific credentials.Asshat
No, you just outsource your thinking. It's an appeal to authority, a logical fallacy. You live in a world of polyanna notions you accept as fact. congratulations on a being a sheeple.
I gave you a list of at least two dozen of the world’s most reputable scientific organizations.
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...78&postcount=3
Do you have any reputable science links to give me, or am I supposed to accept the scientific musings, speculations, and conjectures of message board poster AssHatZombie?
Surely, you jest.
Give me your links to reputable scientific sources.Tinfoil
He worse than that. He refuses to see how he's been duped. OK, OK, I know he's not bright enough to see the errors. You can't fix stupid.
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...78&postcount=3
This is just dumb. And yet, oddly hilarious. A earth centric universe and the subhuman nature of the blackman bullshit weren’t based on the scientific method.Bravo
We can't fix stupid, but we sure can recognize it....he truely believes consensus = truth....he would have been a good pinhead to have around when the consensus was saying a black man was = to 3/5 or a human, or the sun rotated around the earth.....
Modern climate science is. A Climate Gate Clown's Illustrated Guide to the Scientific Method...available at:
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...86&postcount=7
Carry on. Get back to me when you Climate Gate Clowns have some real, reputable, and credible scientific sources. Keyboard pounding, yelping, and braying just doesn’t cut it.
as usual....cypress agrees me, but can't admit it....
nothing i said was untrue...but cypress will throw out crazy links in a weak attempt to bolster his point...and deflect
he can't actually debate the point himself, he is beholden to links, other people's thoughts, he has no thoughts of his own
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