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    Obama asks SCOTUS to toss out Az employer sanctions law

    Dylan Smith TucsonSentinel.com

    The Obama administration has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to toss out Arizona's law that punishes businesses that employ illegal immigrants.

    The Justice Department says the employer sanctions law is preempted by federal laws, and that lower court rulings in favor of the Arizona statute should be reversed.

    The Legal Arizona Workers Act requires employers to verify the employment eligibility of workers via the federal E-Verify database.

    Arizona's law's effect is to "disrupt a careful balance that Congress struck nearly 25 years ago between two interests of the highest importance: ensuring that employers do not undermine enforcement of immigration laws by hiring unauthorized workers, while also ensuring that employers not discriminate against racial and ethnic minorities legally in the country," according to a brief filed by the administration.

    The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 precludes states from penalizing companies for hiring illegal immigrants. But the law allows states to have "licensing or similar laws."

    "The Arizona statute is not at bottom a 'licensing or similar law,' " Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal wrote in the brief. "It is instead a statute that prohibits the hiring of unauthorized aliens and uses suspension and revocation of all state-issued licenses as its ultimate sanction."

    http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/...0_supremecourt

    i can see obama's position if this is in fact preempted, however, without more information of the laws in question, i can't say for sure it is. in the spirit, on its face, it does not look like it should be preempted. IMO, this shows we need a major overhaul of federal immigration law, it needs to be clear what states can do to enforce federal immigration law becuase it is clear as day the federal governmetn has failed for decades....

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    The Obama administration has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to toss out Arizona's law that punishes businesses that employ illegal immigrants.


    Jesus Fucking Christ,
    Do they not want to enforce any law concerning illegals. When Bush had ICE go to all the various businesses and round up the illegals, the turds whined that he should be going after the businesses that employ them. Now that Arizona is cracking down on the employers, Obama wants to give them a pass.

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    that's too funny because the libtards here all claim that going after employers is the solution.

    what say you, liberals?

    LOL dumbasses

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    States do not have any right enforce federal laws. The feds cannot fail at setting the enforcement for the immigration laws because they set the bar.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Spite View Post
    States do not have any right enforce federal laws. The feds cannot fail at setting the enforcement for the immigration laws because they set the bar.
    In your idiocy; you just suggested that the city, county, or state law enforcement can't arrest someone for a bank robbery.
    SEDITION: incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority.


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    Quote Originally Posted by webbway View Post


    The Obama administration has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to toss out Arizona's law that punishes businesses that employ illegal immigrants.


    Jesus Fucking Christ,
    Do they not want to enforce any law concerning illegals. When Bush had ICE go to all the various businesses and round up the illegals, the turds whined that he should be going after the businesses that employ them. Now that Arizona is cracking down on the employers, Obama wants to give them a pass.
    Yeah, bush's selective cracking down was just spiffy. It was okay by him that illegal immigrants joined the military and could die for the country but screw those who just want to earn a few bucks for their families.

    "Master Gunnery Sergeant Guadalupe Denogean from Mexico, the son of migrant farm workers, had spent twenty-five years in the Marine Corps and had fought in two wars before taking his citizenship oath. George told both men he was proud to call them "fellow Americans." We have, he said, an amazing country, where people are willing to risk their lives without even being full citizens."
    ~Spoken From the Heart, Laura Bush, page 286


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Yeah, bush's selective cracking down was just spiffy. It was okay by him that illegal immigrants joined the military and could die for the country but screw those who just want to earn a few bucks for their families.

    "Master Gunnery Sergeant Guadalupe Denogean from Mexico, the son of migrant farm workers, had spent twenty-five years in the Marine Corps and had fought in two wars before taking his citizenship oath. George told both men he was proud to call them "fellow Americans." We have, he said, an amazing country, where people are willing to risk their lives without even being full citizens."
    ~Spoken From the Heart, Laura Bush, page 286
    pssssssssssssst.....one is legal the other is not

    get some knowledge before spouting partisan rhetoric

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Spite View Post
    States do not have any right enforce federal laws. The feds cannot fail at setting the enforcement for the immigration laws because they set the bar.
    that is absolutely... unequivocally... without a doubt... untrue....states can enforce federal laws, scotus has ruled such (specifically in immigration) and the feds can fail and to any rational objective non partisan mind it is clear they have failed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Spite View Post
    States do not have any right enforce federal laws. The feds cannot fail at setting the enforcement for the immigration laws because they set the bar.
    In any federal system of law, preemption refers generally to the displacement of a lower jurisdiction's laws when they conflict with those of a higher jurisdiction.

    As long a Az. law DOES NOT conflict with the federal law, Obama the Asshole can go pound sand....and according to Az., they say their state law only mirrors or says exactly the same thing as federal law....
    Put blame where it belongs
    ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
    It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
    The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Yeah, bush's selective cracking down was just spiffy. It was okay by him that illegal immigrants joined the military and could die for the country but screw those who just want to earn a few bucks for their families.

    You don't have a freakin' clue what you're talking about



    "Master Gunnery Sergeant Guadalupe Denogean from Mexico, the son of migrant farm workers, had spent twenty-five years in the Marine Corps and had fought in two wars before taking his citizenship oath.

    Nobody ever said you have to be a citizen to enlist and serve, you fool...keep your strawman bullshit to yourself...

    George told both men he was proud to call them "fellow Americans." We have, he said, an amazing country, where people are willing to risk their lives without even being full citizens."

    ~Spoken From the Heart, Laura Bush, page 286
    The military does not allow illegal immigrants to enlist, and that policy would not change, officers said. Recruiting officials pointed out that volunteers with temporary visas would have already passed a security screening and would have shown that they had no criminal record.

    Immigrants who are permanent residents, with documents commonly known as green cards, have long been eligible to enlist.

    Thats not to say that illegals, using fraudulent documents, don't get through the screening an enlist...
    Put blame where it belongs
    ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
    It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
    The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Yeah, bush's selective cracking down was just spiffy. It was okay by him that illegal immigrants joined the military and could die for the country but screw those who just want to earn a few bucks for their families.

    "Master Gunnery Sergeant Guadalupe Denogean from Mexico, the son of migrant farm workers, had spent twenty-five years in the Marine Corps and had fought in two wars before taking his citizenship oath. George told both men he was proud to call them "fellow Americans." We have, he said, an amazing country, where people are willing to risk their lives without even being full citizens."
    ~Spoken From the Heart, Laura Bush, page 286
    Translation:
    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915
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    SEDITION: incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority.


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    whomis this idiot zappas guitar? The dumbass negative reps me for posting the truth. WTF? What an asshole

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Yeah, bush's selective cracking down was just spiffy. It was okay by him that illegal immigrants joined the military and could die for the country but screw those who just want to earn a few bucks for their families.

    "Master Gunnery Sergeant Guadalupe Denogean from Mexico, the son of migrant farm workers, had spent twenty-five years in the Marine Corps and had fought in two wars before taking his citizenship oath. George told both men he was proud to call them "fellow Americans." We have, he said, an amazing country, where people are willing to risk their lives without even being full citizens."
    ~Spoken From the Heart, Laura Bush, page 286
    Please excuse me if I'm wrong but in the past haven't you supported going after the businesses that hire illegals? If so what is your take on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
    Obama asks SCOTUS to toss out Az employer sanctions law

    Dylan Smith TucsonSentinel.com

    The Obama administration has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to toss out Arizona's law that punishes businesses that employ illegal immigrants.

    The Justice Department says the employer sanctions law is preempted by federal laws, and that lower court rulings in favor of the Arizona statute should be reversed.

    The Legal Arizona Workers Act requires employers to verify the employment eligibility of workers via the federal E-Verify database.

    Arizona's law's effect is to "disrupt a careful balance that Congress struck nearly 25 years ago between two interests of the highest importance: ensuring that employers do not undermine enforcement of immigration laws by hiring unauthorized workers, while also ensuring that employers not discriminate against racial and ethnic minorities legally in the country," according to a brief filed by the administration.

    The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 precludes states from penalizing companies for hiring illegal immigrants. But the law allows states to have "licensing or similar laws."

    "The Arizona statute is not at bottom a 'licensing or similar law,' " Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal wrote in the brief. "It is instead a statute that prohibits the hiring of unauthorized aliens and uses suspension and revocation of all state-issued licenses as its ultimate sanction."

    http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/...0_supremecourt

    i can see obama's position if this is in fact preempted, however, without more information of the laws in question, i can't say for sure it is. in the spirit, on its face, it does not look like it should be preempted. IMO, this shows we need a major overhaul of federal immigration law, it needs to be clear what states can do to enforce federal immigration law becuase it is clear as day the federal governmetn has failed for decades....
    Unfrickenbelievable!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    whomis this idiot zappas guitar? The dumbass negative reps me for posting the truth. WTF? What an asshole
    LOL~~~that's his MO and that's why we neg him all the time.

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