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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Oh gawd. Why do you insists on making such ignorant and stupid comments. HC reforms is only attempting to implement, in part, what other modern nations are doing. Those nations spend half of what we do and get substantially superior results in health care. So instead of standing there like an ignorant rube and mouthing empty platitudes about "leftist" and "socialism" why don't you actually try reading something informative on this topic that isn't spoon fed to you from Fox News or Rush Limbaugh and come back when you can actually know something about this topic and can say something intelligent.

    Fuckin A. HC reform is dangerous to our economy? We Spend 16% of GDP on Health Care, which is twice what most modern nations do, it eats up 15 to 20% of business over head in our country and we get results barely above third world standards with about 15% of the population not covered and another 25 to 40% underinsured and you're saying that HC reform is dangerous to the economy?

    You had a tough time in 3rd grade math didn't you?

    Dude, you can watch Fox News till the cows come home and mouth all the empty platitudes you want but I got some news for you. Health Care reform will come, if not now then later and it will be modeled on the same basic principles that other modern industrialized nations are using and it will be economics that will drive that reform. It will be this nations businesses and corporations who will drive that reform. You can put that in the bank pal.
    Are you fucking people just stupid or just don't understand what you read...
    Its gotta be one or the other...

    I said HC promoted by the left...

    that certainly doesn't mean our HC is perfect or that our HC doesn't need some reforms....
    So....learn to freekin' understand what your reading....
    those 'on-line' college degrees you and topcat have were a waste of money....you needed the real thing...
    Put blame where it belongs
    ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
    It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
    The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    So a guy doing cheesecake photos for the ladies and who is on record as being pro-choice is you two clowns idea of ethics and values? Hmmm, will wonders never cease!
    Wow suddenly soft porn and abortion are unethical to you, Libby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravo View Post
    Are you fucking people just stupid or just don't understand what you read...
    Its gotta be one or the other...

    I said HC promoted by the left...

    that certainly doesn't mean our HC is perfect or that our HC doesn't need some reforms....
    So....learn to freekin' understand what your reading....
    those 'on-line' college degrees you and topcat have were a waste of money....you needed the real thing...
    Well fuck yea it's promoted by the left. The right is to busy protecting the rights of Insurance companies to maximize their profits are out expense. Thank you Captain Obvious for that little tid bit of wisdom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Well fuck yea it's promoted by the left. The right is to busy protecting the rights of Insurance companies to maximize their profits are out expense. Thank you Captain Obvious for that little tid bit of wisdom.
    seems to me that mandating insurance coverage directly benefits the insurance companies also, so how is it just the right?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    So a guy doing cheesecake photos for the ladies and who is on record as being pro-choice is you two clowns idea of ethics and values? Hmmm, will wonders never cease!

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    Wow suddenly soft porn and abortion are unethical to you, Libby.
    What are you....fucking stupid or stoned? As the the chronology of the posts on these threads show, I am NOT the one dancing with glee over Brown's election.

    I merely pointed out the sheer hypocrisy of a statement by your fellow parrot that you chimed in on. What I said about Brown is a documented, bonafide FACT. TFB for you if the truth isn't to your liking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    So a guy doing cheesecake photos for the ladies and who is on record as being pro-choice is you two clowns idea of ethics and values? Hmmm, will wonders never cease!
    Is he one of those people voting against their own interests?

    WTF?

    Did Brown vote against his own interests or don't you have a freekin' clue what the thread topic is about ?

    Obviously you don't have a clue...
    Put blame where it belongs
    ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
    It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
    The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Well fuck yea it's promoted by the left. The right is to busy protecting the rights of Insurance companies to maximize their profits are out expense. Thank you Captain Obvious for that little tid bit of wisdom.
    Tops out as the hypocritical statement of the thread.

    What the fuck do you think this great, super, healthcare "reform" bill being touted by you morons is? It's a gift wrapped multi-trillion dollar government mandated boon to insurance companies.

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    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    So a guy doing cheesecake photos for the ladies and who is on record as being pro-choice is you two clowns idea of ethics and values? Hmmm, will wonders never cease!
    Quote Originally Posted by bravo View Post
    Is he one of those people voting against their own interests?

    WTF?

    Did Brown vote against his own interests or don't you have a freekin' clue what the thread topic is about ?

    Obviously you don't have a clue...
    Pay attention, you intellectually impotent cretin. I responded to neocon parrots carrying on about ethics and values. Well, as I pointed out (see above)you neocons were all a twitter about the Massachusetts election of a man that has public stands that CONTRADICT your party's "ethics" and "values". So isn't that voting against your interests?

    THINK, YOU FOOL, THINK before your fingers hit the keys.....makes you look less foolish. This tag team of you, Dixie and Southie is just truly pathetic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Pay attention, you intellectually impotent cretin. I responded to neocon parrots carrying on about ethics and values. Well, as I pointed out (see above)you neocons were all a twitter about the Massachusetts election of a man that has public stands that CONTRADICT your party's "ethics" and "values". So isn't that voting against your interests?

    THINK, YOU FOOL, THINK before your fingers hit the keys.....makes you look less foolish. This tag team of you, Dixie and Southie is just truly pathetic!
    You such a fuckin' moron its a wonder you can breathe and walk at the same time...

    WTF have has "MY" party's ethics and values have to do with the thread...?
    NOT A THING...you don't even know what party I belong to....

    If you mean the voters voted for a man whose values and ethics are different than the voters....thats close to the question asked....but still different
    Put blame where it belongs
    ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
    It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
    The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.


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    To answer the original question the most common reason is because there are those who believe their interests are better met through means different than what others believe. It is nothing less than massive egocentric arrogance to think otherwise. And the arrogance of the left is absolute on this topic. No one will give even a nanometer on their absolute religious-like faith (yes, your bullshit goes way beyond simple belief) that anyone who disagrees with their conclusion can only do so out of ignorance.

    The left keeps harping about the need of the right to "join the 21st century". Yet what they support was invented over 80 years ago. So whose heads are truly in the past?

    The health systems of Europe, Canada and elsewhere cannot be described as failures. However, neither can they be genuinely called great successes either. We keep heaqring how European systems spend a little more than half per capita what America spends. What they try to hide is the fact that America was spending slightly more than twice as much per capita on health care BEFORE Europe and others went the way of universal care. So universal care does not, in reality, reduce costs on a per-capita basis.

    So what DOES cost twice as much? To answer that, we look to quality of care. Yes, most universal systems meet the BASICS of care reasonably adequately, though the (undoubtedly exaggerated) stories of waiting lines and rationed care have a minimal basis of fact to them. But quality of care includes more than whether a hospital has enough acetaminophen, gauze rolls and xray films on hand to meet needs. Quality includes what some on here have decried as "unnecessary luxuries" like private rooms, or comfortable visitor chairs, which, if a universal plan cannot sustain, can be done away with.

    But, we Americans like our luxuries, and we always will. Not only that, but there are many (including myself, having spent innumerable hours in hospitals watching over friends and family) who strongly disagree with the claims that things like private rooms, comfortable visitor chairs, cable television, etc. are not a part of quality of health care.

    If universal plans cannot sustain the type of care we have in the U.S., if one price of universal care is to get rid of "luxuries", then IMO, we need to start looking for a different answer than the one others came up with a long, long time ago. IMO, the better answers to addressing health care problems in our society will (or should) come from ORIGINAL thinking, not copy-cat thinking.
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    TC...

    Go back under your rock and let the adults play....
    Put blame where it belongs
    ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
    It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
    The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Good Luck View Post
    To answer the original question the most common reason is because there are those who believe their interests are better met through means different than what others believe. It is nothing less than massive egocentric arrogance to think otherwise. And the arrogance of the left is absolute on this topic. No one will give even a nanometer on their absolute religious-like faith (yes, your bullshit goes way beyond simple belief) that anyone who disagrees with their conclusion can only do so out of ignorance.

    The left keeps harping about the need of the right to "join the 21st century". Yet what they support was invented over 80 years ago. So whose heads are truly in the past?

    The health systems of Europe, Canada and elsewhere cannot be described as failures. However, neither can they be genuinely called great successes either. We keep heaqring how European systems spend a little more than half per capita what America spends. What they try to hide is the fact that America was spending slightly more than twice as much per capita on health care BEFORE Europe and others went the way of universal care. So universal care does not, in reality, reduce costs on a per-capita basis.

    So what DOES cost twice as much? To answer that, we look to quality of care. Yes, most universal systems meet the BASICS of care reasonably adequately, though the (undoubtedly exaggerated) stories of waiting lines and rationed care have a minimal basis of fact to them. But quality of care includes more than whether a hospital has enough acetaminophen, gauze rolls and xray films on hand to meet needs. Quality includes what some on here have decried as "unnecessary luxuries" like private rooms, or comfortable visitor chairs, which, if a universal plan cannot sustain, can be done away with.

    But, we Americans like our luxuries, and we always will. Not only that, but there are many (including myself, having spent innumerable hours in hospitals watching over friends and family) who strongly disagree with the claims that things like private rooms, comfortable visitor chairs, cable television, etc. are not a part of quality of health care.

    If universal plans cannot sustain the type of care we have in the U.S., if one price of universal care is to get rid of "luxuries", then IMO, we need to start looking for a different answer than others came up with a long, long time ago. IMO, the better answers to addressing health care problems in our society will (or should) come from ORIGINAL thinking, not copy-cat thinking.
    Much too much to answer a simple question.....
    Line one says it all....

    those that perceive a voter is voting against their own interests is usually wrong....the voter may not see the issue as being against their interests at all....
    Put blame where it belongs
    ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
    It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
    The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.


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    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    Pay attention, you intellectually impotent cretin. I responded to neocon parrots carrying on about ethics and values. Well, as I pointed out (see above)you neocons were all a twitter about the Massachusetts election of a man that has public stands that CONTRADICT your party's "ethics" and "values". So isn't that voting against your interests?

    THINK, YOU FOOL, THINK before your fingers hit the keys.....makes you look less foolish. This tag team of you, Dixie and Southie is just truly pathetic!
    Quote Originally Posted by bravo View Post
    You such a fuckin' moron its a wonder you can breathe and walk at the same time...

    WTF have has "MY" party's ethics and values have to do with the thread...?
    NOT A THING...you don't even know what party I belong to....

    If you mean the voters voted for a man whose values and ethics are different than the voters....thats close to the question asked....but still different
    Ahhh, the rantings of an intellectually bankrupt neocon blowhard.
    You can't avoid the point I made, genius......the neocon GOPers have been wailing about "culture wars", the "moral bankruptcy" of liberals and Democrats, and have been ardently opposed to abortion. And yet, they celebrate the election of a man who poses damn near nude for a magazine and who has gone on record as being in favor of a woman's right to choose an abortion.

    Now by any sane, rational and logical take....if you are a neocon/Republican and voted for Brown, then you voted AGAINST two interests of yours and your party.

    To date I have YET to see you post anything arbitrary to the policies and actions of the last administration. In fact, you've seem to have made it a hobby to follow me around on this thread and rail against ANY support I've made about Obama or criticism I've made about his opponents. So your party politics and/or ideological leanings are pretty clear....for you to deny such in lieu of your history on these threads is ludicrous at best.

    Bottom line: my statement stands valid...you and the other two buffoons have exposed your hypocrisy and have made things worst with your illogical denial. Carry on.
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