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    Default Why do people often vote against their own interests?

    'Drew Westen argues that stories rather than facts convince voters.'


    "The Republicans' shock victory in the election for the US Senate seat in Massachusetts meant the Democrats lost their supermajority in the Senate. This makes it even harder for the Obama administration to get healthcare reform passed in the US.

    Political scientist Dr David Runciman looks at why there is often such deep opposition to reforms that appear to be of obvious benefit to voters."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8474611.stm

    An Aggregation of Nincompoops - democrats are too damn....
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...of_nincompoops

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    'Drew Westen argues that stories rather than facts convince voters.'


    "The Republicans' shock victory in the election for the US Senate seat in Massachusetts meant the Democrats lost their supermajority in the Senate. This makes it even harder for the Obama administration to get healthcare reform passed in the US.

    Political scientist Dr David Runciman looks at why there is often such deep opposition to reforms that appear to be of obvious benefit to voters."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8474611.stm

    An Aggregation of Nincompoops - democrats are too damn....
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...of_nincompoops
    Something not considered, "Greater good," or what used to be called, "Civic virtue."

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    I only vote against YOUR interests.....
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    'Drew Westen argues that stories rather than facts convince voters.'


    "The Republicans' shock victory in the election for the US Senate seat in Massachusetts meant the Democrats lost their supermajority in the Senate. This makes it even harder for the Obama administration to get healthcare reform passed in the US.

    Political scientist Dr David Runciman looks at why there is often such deep opposition to reforms that appear to be of obvious benefit to voters."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8474611.stm

    An Aggregation of Nincompoops - democrats are too damn....
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...of_nincompoops
    All we can hope for is people will become more educated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apple0154 View Post
    All we can hope for is people will become more educated.
    HA! That will be the day. To quote H.L. Menkin "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."
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    people are influenced to vote against their own interests by propaganda, and a dishonest use of abstractions.

    Consider dixie and his simplistic "people are corporations" idiocy.

    the idea that it's fine if the middle class is decimated as long as coporate profits rise is a great example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    people are influenced to vote against their own interests by propaganda, and a dishonest use of abstractions.

    Consider dixie and his simplistic "people are corporations" idiocy.

    the idea that it's fine if the middle class is decimated as long as coporate profits rise is a great example.
    It could be that hell has frozen over, I agree with AssHatZombie!

    Those who deny the proposition of the article can easily change (probably not) their position with a simple examination of a contemporary event. The Iraq invasion and the myths that surrounded it. That Iraq was involved in 911 or al Qaeda. We won't go into the other idiotic belief that they had WMD, but clearly Americans are fooled or is that educated by story. And still are. I would bet many still believe these things.

    Those who chose to believe myths, will always believe, as they serve purposes other than truth, they fit into their worldview, and that view like the child who believes in the bogeyman is not open to reason.


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    or "what's good for corporations is good for america". These idiotic bromides are harmful.

    If you consider 'america' to be politicians on the take and rich people destroying the middle class for profit, then you're right. But if you consider america to be the vast majority of it's middle class workers then you're obviously wrong.

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    62 percent of Americans wanted the public option.

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    This is hilarious. The effort to paint Americans who voted against healthcare reform as ignorant of the facts instead of democrats waking up to the fact that the majority of Americans were unhappy about being forcefed a 1,000 plus page of healthcare reform laws that their own representatives either hadn't read, didn't understand, or wouldn't talk about it.

    no wonder you're gonna lose big in 2010 and no wonder you can't learn anything.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterThanYou View Post
    This is hilarious. The effort to paint Americans who voted against healthcare reform as ignorant of the facts instead of democrats waking up to the fact that the majority of Americans were unhappy about being forcefed a 1,000 plus page of healthcare reform laws that their own representatives either hadn't read, didn't understand, or wouldn't talk about it.

    no wonder you're gonna lose big in 2010 and no wonder you can't learn anything.
    No doubt, the willful and obvious misinterpretation of Scott Brown's success makes lib look either idiotic, dishonest or both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterThanYou View Post
    This is hilarious. The effort to paint Americans who voted against healthcare reform as ignorant of the facts instead of democrats waking up to the fact that the majority of Americans were unhappy about being forcefed a 1,000 plus page of healthcare reform laws that their own representatives either hadn't read, didn't understand, or wouldn't talk about it.

    no wonder you're gonna lose big in 2010 and no wonder you can't learn anything.
    Actually it you who is ignorant of the facts, poll after poll has shown that opposition to the HC reform bill is split evenly between those who think it goes to far and those who think it doesn't go far enough. It's those who are in the middle that are losing out. Remember the old saying "The only thing you find in the middle of the road is a dead skunk."? HC is an outstanding example of where the middle has been steam rolled by the extremes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Actually it you who is ignorant of the facts, poll after poll has shown that opposition to the HC reform bill is split evenly between those who think it goes to far and those who think it doesn't go far enough. It's those who are in the middle that are losing out. Remember the old saying "The only thing you find in the middle of the road is a dead skunk."? HC is an outstanding example of where the middle has been steam rolled by the extremes.
    HC takeover promoted by the left is as much a hoax as AGW.....and just as dangerous to the economy of the nation...
    Put blame where it belongs
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravo View Post
    HC takeover promoted by the left is as much a hoax as AGW.....and just as dangerous to the economy of the nation...
    Oh gawd. Why do you insists on making such ignorant and stupid comments. HC reforms is only attempting to implement, in part, what other modern nations are doing. Those nations spend half of what we do and get substantially superior results in health care. So instead of standing there like an ignorant rube and mouthing empty platitudes about "leftist" and "socialism" why don't you actually try reading something informative on this topic that isn't spoon fed to you from Fox News or Rush Limbaugh and come back when you can actually know something about this topic and can say something intelligent.

    Fuckin A. HC reform is dangerous to our economy? We Spend 16% of GDP on Health Care, which is twice what most modern nations do, it eats up 15 to 20% of business over head in our country and we get results barely above third world standards with about 15% of the population not covered and another 25 to 40% underinsured and you're saying that HC reform is dangerous to the economy?

    You had a tough time in 3rd grade math didn't you?

    Dude, you can watch Fox News till the cows come home and mouth all the empty platitudes you want but I got some news for you. Health Care reform will come, if not now then later and it will be modeled on the same basic principles that other modern industrialized nations are using and it will be economics that will drive that reform. It will be this nations businesses and corporations who will drive that reform. You can put that in the bank pal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Oh gawd. Why do you insists on making such ignorant and stupid comments. HC reforms is only attempting to implement, in part, what other modern nations are doing. Those nations spend half of what we do and get substantially superior results in health care. So instead of standing there like an ignorant rube and mouthing empty platitudes about "leftist" and "socialism" why don't you actually try reading something informative on this topic that isn't spoon fed to you from Fox News or Rush Limbaugh and come back when you can actually know something about this topic and can say something intelligent.

    Fuckin A. HC reform is dangerous to our economy? We Spend 16% of GDP on Health Care, which is twice what most modern nations do, it eats up 15 to 20% of business over head in our country and we get results barely above third world standards with about 15% of the population not covered and another 25 to 40% underinsured and you're saying that HC reform is dangerous to the economy?

    You had a tough time in 3rd grade math didn't you?
    there are solutions to health care that don't require us to become more like Europe.....have you even looked at what things are like in Europe.....why on earth would any sane person use them as a role model........
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