Special interests’ on both sides in health fight

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Special interests’ on both sides in health fight
Obama's nailed down agreements with deep-pocketed drug makers

WASHINGTON - As public pitchman, President Barack Obama accuses special interests of fighting to block his health care overhaul. "They run their ads. And let's face it, they scare people," he told one weekend audience.

Yet Obama has spent months assembling a formidable lineup of special interests of his own, an essential element of a plan to remake the health care system and succeed where President Bill Clinton memorably failed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32479506...h_care_reform/


this is just one of the reasons more and more people do not trust obama....he is dishonest....saying it is bad for repubs, but oh no, when they are on his side....it is a good thing....typical of many liberals on this board

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Do you think insurance company "Death Panels" are doing a good job?

You know, the claims adjusters that deny claims, the ones whose bonuses depend on turning down as many claims as possible.

A large number of Americans have health conditions that insurance companies qualify as “pre-existing conditions.” The Death Panels deny them coverage.

12.6 million non-elderly adults (36 percent of those who tried to purchase health insurance directly from an insurance company in the individual insurance market) were in fact denied by the Death Panels because of a pre-existing condition.

Thanks to the Death Panels, 1 in 10 people with cancer could not obtain health coverage, and 6 percent lost their coverage. The Death Panels exclude whole categories of illnesses related to a pre-existing condition. Someone with hay fever could have any respiratory system disease such as bronchitis or pneumonia excluded from coverage by the Death Panels.

When a person is diagnosed with an expensive condition such as cancer, insurance company Death Panels review his/her initial health status questionnaire. Insurance companies can retroactively cancel the entire policy if any condition was missed, even if the medical condition is unrelated, and even if the person was not aware of the condition at the time. Coverage can also be revoked for all members of a family, even if only one family member failed to disclose a medical condition.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/

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There was a great article on CNN yesterday, written by someone who had been high up in the insurance industry, but quit because of the tactics. He talked about how they funnel millions into PR firms, who distribute talking points to talk radio and other beacons of right-wing thought, so that it can disseminate to the masses. He added that they don't care at all about the truth; they care about creating as much misinformation & fear as they can, to scare enough people into opposing things that aren't even being proposed.

So, basically, that's what the admin is up against. It's not tit for tat, because one side is using the money for what is essentially the truth of the bill, and one side is using money for lies & fear. It's not an apples to apples comparison.

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Do you think insurance company "Death Panels" are doing a good job?

You know, the claims adjusters that deny claims, the ones whose bonuses depend on turning down as many claims as possible.

A large number of Americans have health conditions that insurance companies qualify as “pre-existing conditions.” The Death Panels deny them coverage.

12.6 million non-elderly adults (36 percent of those who tried to purchase health insurance directly from an insurance company in the individual insurance market) were in fact denied by the Death Panels because of a pre-existing condition.

Thanks to the Death Panels, 1 in 10 people with cancer could not obtain health coverage, and 6 percent lost their coverage. The Death Panels exclude whole categories of illnesses related to a pre-existing condition. Someone with hay fever could have any respiratory system disease such as bronchitis or pneumonia excluded from coverage by the Death Panels.

When a person is diagnosed with an expensive condition such as cancer, insurance company Death Panels review his/her initial health status questionnaire. Insurance companies can retroactively cancel the entire policy if any condition was missed, even if the medical condition is unrelated, and even if the person was not aware of the condition at the time. Coverage can also be revoked for all members of a family, even if only one family member failed to disclose a medical condition.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/

stop changing the subject and just admit obama is a hypocrite and is basically making a dishonest argument

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There was a great article on CNN yesterday, written by someone who had been high up in the insurance industry, but quit because of the tactics. He talked about how they funnel millions into PR firms, who distribute talking points to talk radio and other beacons of right-wing thought, so that it can disseminate to the masses. He added that they don't care at all about the truth; they care about creating as much misinformation & fear as they can, to scare enough people into opposing things that aren't even being proposed.

So, basically, that's what the admin is up against. It's not tit for tat, because one side is using the money for what is essentially the truth of the bill, and one side is using money for lies & fear. It's not an apples to apples comparison.

onceler, onceler, onceler....so one guy, i'm guessing anonymous, makes these claims and it is all insurance companies and ONLY obama has the truth

paleeese

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There was a great article on CNN yesterday, written by someone who had been high up in the insurance industry, but quit because of the tactics. He talked about how they funnel millions into PR firms, who distribute talking points to talk radio and other beacons of right-wing thought, so that it can disseminate to the masses. He added that they don't care at all about the truth; they care about creating as much misinformation & fear as they can, to scare enough people into opposing things that aren't even being proposed.

So, basically, that's what the admin is up against. It's not tit for tat, because one side is using the money for what is essentially the truth of the bill, and one side is using money for lies & fear. It's not an apples to apples comparison.

Very true. The "special interests" working to promote healthcare reform aren't doing it in a similar way as the opposition. It's apples and oranges. The implication spurt is making is that both sides are on equal footing here - they are not.

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onceler, onceler, onceler....so one guy, i'm guessing anonymous, makes these claims and it is all insurance companies and ONLY obama has the truth

paleeese

He wasn't anonymous. There are lots of people just like him who have said the same thing. There's very little doubt as to the tactics insurance companies use to defeat this stuff. You're trying to argue something that isn't up for debate.

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Very true. The "special interests" working to promote healthcare reform aren't doing it in a similar way as the opposition. It's apples and oranges. The implication spurt is making is that both sides are on equal footing here - they are not.

^lol^

you're not biased to the information you recieve from the special interest groups....or should i be dishonest like barry and say they are just interest groups....

face it...obama said they were bad, he did not say what they did was bad, only that using such groups was bad....another deflection and red herring to take away from obama's hypocrisy

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onceler, onceler, onceler....so one guy, i'm guessing anonymous, makes these claims and it is all insurance companies and ONLY obama has the truth

paleeese

Nah - he had his pic right next to the article. And I didn't need to read it to know about it. The insurance industry has had these practices for years.

You don't think they spend their money on misinformation? That's really naive.

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He wasn't anonymous. There are lots of people just like him who have said the same thing. There's very little doubt as to the tactics insurance companies use to defeat this stuff. You're trying to argue something that isn't up for debate.

ok....who is the guy and who does he represent and what is evidence that ALL do what he claims

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^lol^

you're not biased to the information you recieve from the special interest groups....or should i be dishonest like barry and say they are just interest groups....

face it...obama said they were bad, he did not say what they did was bad, only that using such groups was bad....another deflection and red herring to take away from obama's hypocrisy

He said "they scare people."

How is that not saying what they are doing is bad again?

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Nah - he had his pic right next to the article. And I didn't need to read it to know about it. The insurance industry has had these practices for years.

You don't think they spend their money on misinformation? That's really naive.

LOL....but those that spend it FOR obama are telling the truth...that is rich

can you link me to the article

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LOL....but those that spend it FOR obama are telling the truth...that is rich

can you link me to the article

I would not argue that both sides do not spin to an extent.

However, I haven't seen a misinformation campaign as detailed and extensive as the recent campaign against the health care proposal in years, maybe decades. Nothing even close.

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^lol^

you're not biased to the information you recieve from the special interest groups....or should i be dishonest like barry and say they are just interest groups....

face it...obama said they were bad, he did not say what they did was bad, only that using such groups was bad....another deflection and red herring to take away from obama's hypocrisy

Unlike the idiots on your side, I don't take it from the "special interest groups." My opinions are backed up by facts about what is in the house bill and what isn't. While you might disagree with the implementation of what's in there, at least we know what's there and what isn't.

Yes, one side is clearly trying to misinform and scare people and one side is just trying to let people know what's in the bill. The polls show that once people know what's actually there, most people support it.

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He said "they scare people."

How is that not saying what they are doing is bad again?

i trust you will get out there and tell folks like DNC to stfu about his fear mongering then....and tell obama that his claims of fear mongering is not a bad thing....