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    Default Medicare-For-All Will Create 2.6 Million New Jobs, Say CA Nurses

    Medicare-For-All Will Create 2.6 Million New Jobs, Say CA Nurses
    by BAR Managing Editor Bruce Dixon

    According to a study released January 14 by the California Nurses Association, adoptiing a single payer system of universal health care in the US would create 2.6 million new jobs, as many as the Bush economy destroyed in 2006, and boost the revenues of private employers by an annual $317 billion. A single payer health care system would put more than $100 billion in the pockets of employees and add $44 billion to state, local and federal budgets in badly needed tax revenues.

    The CNA study details the economic benefits of healthcare to the overall economy, showing how changes in direct healthcare delivery affect all other significant sectors touched by healthcare, and how sweeping healthcare reform can help drive the nation's economic recovery.

    "These dramatic new findings document for the first time that a single-payer system could not only solve our healthcare crisis, but also substantially contribute to putting America back to work and assisting the economic recovery," said Geri Jenkins, RN, co-president of the National Nurses Organizing Committee/California Nurses Association, which sponsored the study.

    The numbers of new jobs created by single payer health care alone dwarf anything yet proposed by the Obama administration or the “Buy America” add-ons to its stimulus bills, in addition to fulfilling the public expectation that Democrats enact a plan of universal and affordable health care for every American this year.

    "Through direct and supplemental expenditures, healthcare is already a uniquely dominant force in the U.S. economy," said Don DeMoro, lead author of the study and director of the Institute for Health and Socio-Economic Policy, the NNOC/CNA research arm.

    "However, so much more is possible. If we were to expand our present Medicare system to cover all Americans, the economic stimulus alone would create an immense engine that would help drive our national economy for decades to come," DeMoro



    -- more at link -- including the study
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    I'll take a look at the study and then ask any questions that may arise. I am interested to see how this switch would create so many additional jobs.
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    They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    I'll take a look at the study and then ask any questions that may arise. I am interested to see how this switch would create so many additional jobs.
    That's the easy part.

    An army of new healthcare workers will be needed.

    New facilities, clinics, and hospitals will have to be built.

    Opportunities will flourish for dependent businesses, such as suppliers, IT professionals, and many others.

    Healthcare will almost be recession proof ..in fact, it's a good idea to tell that to our children looking for direction today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    That's the easy part.

    An army of new healthcare workers will be needed.

    New facilities, clinics, and hospitals will have to be built.

    Opportunities will flourish for dependent businesses, such as suppliers, IT professionals, and many others.

    Healthcare will almost be recession proof ..in fact, it's a good idea to tell that to our children looking for direction today.
    I can see the need for additional clincs etc... but going to a national system will (as they mention early in the report) eliminate a lot of the administrative side. I would think these jobs would net out... but will read the report to learn more on this.

    If opportunities flourish for ancillary businesses does that not indicate that people are using the system more which would in turn lead to higher costs? Just a question for now... curious to see how they plan to pay for it. I have a hard time believing this will add to revenue rather than detract.

    But again, I am getting ahead of myself and stating personal beliefs prior to reading how they address these questions.
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    They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "

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    an average salary of 52k a year for each of those 2.6 million employees adds up to 135.2 billion dollars. where is that coming from? unless, of course, the average salary is the 100 billion dollar figure, which means that those 2.6 million additional healthcare workers are only making 38.5 k a year. not very livable. but then lets take out the tax revenue the gov is going to make, the 44 billion. that leaves only 56 billion for salaries. that leaves a take home pay of 21.5 k a year.

    seems to me that this one payer healthcare is making the government and a few health care related industries wealthy while soaking the american people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    Healthcare will almost be recession proof ..in fact, it's a good idea to tell that to our children looking for direction today.
    Thats a crock of shit. I already skip dental and doctor visits because I don't have the money. It will only get worse if this legislation is made.

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    There's already a functional nursing shortage, and in some areas surgical team shortages as well, because of hospital administrative decisions. A plan such as this would require quite a vast overhaul of all aspects, including administrative, of the entire health care system. In my view this would be extremely welcome and should ultimately result in cutting a lot of the fat. We'll have to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    I can see the need for additional clincs etc... but going to a national system will (as they mention early in the report) eliminate a lot of the administrative side. I would think these jobs would net out... but will read the report to learn more on this.

    If opportunities flourish for ancillary businesses does that not indicate that people are using the system more which would in turn lead to higher costs? Just a question for now... curious to see how they plan to pay for it. I have a hard time believing this will add to revenue rather than detract.

    But again, I am getting ahead of myself and stating personal beliefs prior to reading how they address these questions.
    There already are buildings, clinics, etc. Filled with professionals who already have jobs, those people would not disappear nor would the clinics, hospitals, etc. Exactly what would create this plethora of jobs? To say, "clinics would need to be built"... Um... we have some. In fact too many. Hence the reason that single payer could actually save money, duplicated equipment would be reduced...
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    This is ridiculous. Sure you can create more nursing jobs by having government fund it but the goal of any service is not to max out number of jobs but quality of service in relation to cost to the customer. You would be paying at least $1.5 trillion out of the economy in taxes for full out universal healthcare (based on current costs for Medicare and Medicaid at a combined $800 billion). That would destroy far more other jobs by the high taxation greatly reducing purchasing power.
    Moreover it would add huge amounts to our already staggering debt of over $10 trillion.

    And since when have unionized government workers ever had incentive to satisfy their customers?

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    seems like a huge stretch. I dont buy it.
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    Umm many do not currently have insurance or medicare/medicaid.

    More would seek health care. that means more jobs.
    Bush doubled the debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion.
    Proving tax cuts work!

    Bush asked for and signed for the TARP money.
    The Republican senate leader backed Bush on this.

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