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This is why I advocate limiting all immigration of jihadists into the country.
I guess I do believe in religious discrimination when that religion is a form of violence inducing psychosis.
Here's what I don't understand...
NatGeo has been running a special, "Inside alQaeda" which chronicles the rise of the group, and how it came to be. They go into great detail about the relationship with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, as well as the Taliban, and how they all got to where we are today. It also details American involvement with the Northern Alliance, etc.
What I find interesting is, the nature of radical Islamic extremists, which dominate that part of the world. These are religious fanatics of the worst order, they make Southern Baptists look liberal. Hell, they make Christians look liberal!
Some of the stuff they believe in just blows my mind. To think that some people, quite a few actually, believe this stuff in the 21st century, is amazing! For one thing, they do not believe in 'personal freedom' at all, you are beholden to Allah completely. They do not believe in 'women's rights' at all, women are treated as sub-human, along with anyone else who doesn't live and breathe their particular brand of Islamic faith.
As Western culture has infiltrated their region, they have begun an ongoing battle against the west, which they call "Jihad" and their religious leaders have endorsed the killing of innocent people by any means to promote this agenda. This isn't some isolated group of poor minorities just looking for understanding and tolerance. It isn't some downtrodden group of people who have been discriminated against, who need defending by liberals. It is a fairly large group of very bigoted racist and sexist authoritarians, who wish to impose their religious will on the rest of the world.
When you look at the sheer humanitarian atrocities they have committed, along with the consistent discrimination against women and others who don't share their religious views, how can a rational human being defend them? Homosexuality is punishable by death, women who are guilty of disobedience are executed, anyone suspected of violating the religious edicts, are killed. They have zero tolerance for anything not in compliance with the strict code of Islam, and they have no problem with denying the right to live. In short, these people are maniacal monsters who believe they are ordained by their God to do what they are doing! And it's not just a few of them, it's MILLIONS!
We live in a world that is largely insulated from this extremism, so it is logical that some people may be complacent and just fail to realize the magnitude of the situation here. Some of us are just plain selfish, we don't see why it should compel us to do anything about it, we feel like it's a problem for someone else to have to deal with and we shouldn't get involved. We sit comfortably in a country that guarantees our freedom and rights, and we don't see why we should take action to oppose this sort of thing on behalf of others. It's not our place to intervene, or to try and combat this insanity.
Is this who we are as human beings? Should we sit idly by and watch this injustice happen, and not act? Should we simply refuse to open our eyes to the problem, and pretend it doesn't exist? I feel like there are many on the left who would do just that, and proclaim it is these people's right to live that way, if that's what they want to do. But the thing is, many of them don't want to live that way, they have no other viable alternative. Either you subscribe to radical Islam, or you die and your family dies as well. Should we just shrug and say, it's not my problem? What kind of people are we, if that is the approach we are taking? That is what I don't understand.
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This is why I advocate limiting all immigration of jihadists into the country.
I guess I do believe in religious discrimination when that religion is a form of violence inducing psychosis.
Morality is a set of attitudes and behaviors which facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships. --AssHatZombie
"Men think in herds, go mad in herds, but recover their senses one by one." -- Charles Mackay
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By jihadists you mean Muslims?Originally Posted by AssHatZombie
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Only the ones that are jihadists.
Morality is a set of attitudes and behaviors which facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships. --AssHatZombie
"Men think in herds, go mad in herds, but recover their senses one by one." -- Charles Mackay
"AssHat rocks and is fun to have around." -- Damocles
Oh, is that written on their passport?
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How do I know what a jihadist passport looks like?
Morality is a set of attitudes and behaviors which facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships. --AssHatZombie
"Men think in herds, go mad in herds, but recover their senses one by one." -- Charles Mackay
"AssHat rocks and is fun to have around." -- Damocles
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It looks like a Canadian Passport, only it has a "Jihadist" stamp hidden in the pages.
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Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
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People, this isn't about "not letting them in" or about "discriminating against Muslims", it's about who we are as people, our level of human decency, what we stand for as human beings. I don't know how you separate a peaceful Muslim from a radical extremist, or even if you can. I don't know how to put an end to this madness by simply closing our doors to those we know about. What I do know is, there seems to be two mindsets, those who are appalled and sickened by what is being done in the name of a deity, and those who are apparently indifferent. What I continue to see is, those who are willing to take a moral stand as decent human beings, and those who refuse to open their eyes, while continuing to make excuses for allowing this to prevail.
you're way off base...only white male republican christians are evil
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Let me say, it is horrible, especially the way women are still treated....but, the european and new world hasn't treated women all that great either over a millenium or two or three!!!
It isn't black or white Dixie....
At least on how to remedy the situation.
Some, believe that we should try to fix what is "wrong" as creatively and as best as we can, without going to war... (how to do that is hard fo me to say, but I am certain intelligence experts using their ingenuity can figure out a way to work on it!), without the accidental killing of innocent people/ the "collateral damage" while doing such,
and others believe that war is the answer to "all"...no matter the destruction, no matter the decimation of families due to death of a member, no matter the expense...the end will always justify the means....I don't agree with that, as you well know!
War is not always a Just War, even if it is for a ''good cause'' Dixie, not if you harm or kill many innocent people in the process....read up on Just War Theory....sometimes, things can be made worse. The Wise man, knows.
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War as a solution for differences in idologies just begets more wars.
for you, when is war a solution?
either you are with us or against us. Hmm now where have I heard that before?
WW2 war was a soloution. It is really the only one I can think of for sure.
A soloution for the allies anyway. For Hitler it was the wrong soloution to his country's problems. for the allies it was the only soloution.
Very well, what is your "peaceful means" to stop what is happening with these people? When you speak of the "decimation of families", which families are you talking about? The families who are being abhorrently discriminated against and stripped of human dignity by religious fanatics? What difference does it make? There is something unacceptably atrocious going on, and you want to sit on your hands and pontificate about how the world would be a wonderful place if there were no war! I may not know all the answers, but moral cowardice is certainly not going to end the atrocities of what theses people are doing to their own.Some, believe that we should try to fix what is "wrong" as creatively and as best as we can, without going to war... (how to do that is hard fo me to say, but I am certain intelligence experts using their ingenuity can figure out a way to work on it!), without the accidental killing of innocent people/ the "collateral damage" while doing such,
and others believe that war is the answer to "all"...no matter the destruction, no matter the decimation of families due to death of a member, no matter the expense...the end will always justify the means....I don't agree with that, as you well know!
So you can justify moral cowardice based on the fact that George W. Bush took a stand? Seriously? That's what defines your moral compass? Hey... Bush didn't believe in eating babies either, does that mean you must endorse it? That's exactly how you are talking, and the logic you are presenting here. You had rather oppose taking any action against this deplorable behavior, because someone you are opposed to politically was for it.either you are with us or against us. Hmm now where have I heard that before?
Listen to what I am telling you people, I am not making this up or exaggerating a bit, these people believe women are subservient subhuman creatures, put on this earth to serve their husbands and nothing more! They believe gay people are to be weeded out of society because there is something defectively wrong with them! They do not believe in racial or ethic equality of any kind, and personal freedom simply doesn't exist, much less religious freedom!
You are all the same people who will sit here today and celebrate Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and his contributions in fighting for civil rights. You will speak out against the injustice of segregation policy, and racism in general, and supposedly believe it was a good thing that Americans took a moral stand against it. Yet, you will defend religious fanatics who preach the same 'segregation' message! ...Oh, if America just leaves their part of the world, they will be satisfied and we can all live in harmony and peace! What's worse is, some of you will actually have the audacity to presume these people are equivalent to the blacks fighting for civil rights in the '60s! You want to exhibit some level of "tolerance" for their warped and twisted immoral views! ...We must try and understand their plight... Their "plight" is to eliminate those who don't subscribe to their 5th century view on women and complete lack of human rights!
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