Depends on how bad things get next year BAC.
Don't mean to be confrontational brother, but you make my point.
Obama nuances everything he says and easily slides between both sides of the same argument.
When those who look to OBama to enact universal healthcare, he'll say "That's not what I meant." Just as he has done on about everything else he's said .. including whether his version will be single-payer of not.
I don't believe any version of universal healthcare will be passed in his first term.
AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.
In America, rights are are not determined by what is just, fair, equitable, honest, nor by what Jesus would do. Rights are determined ONLY by what you can DEMAND.
Depends on how bad things get next year BAC.
Quote from Cypress:
"Scientists don't use "averages". Maybe armchair supertools on message boards ascribe some meaning to "averages" between two random data points. And maybe clueless amatuers "draw a straight line" through two random end data points to define a "trend". Experts don't.
They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "
You are for fixing the system?
You have argued against preventive care for the poor. You have argued against national health care. You have argued against increasing medicaid/medicare.
I have seen absolutely no sign that you are interested in anything but the bottom line and keeping huge amounts of money pouring into the military budgets.
Please tell me one single thing you have mentioned up to now that was anything about fixing the problem? What have you done besides argue against every suggestion for providing basic healthcare for the poorest people living in one of the richest nations???
That Tort reform you are advocating sounds great. But the limitations on lawsuits hurts the actual victims more.
What is the limit? I have seen figures as low as $250k. Will that provide long term care for 20 or 30 years? Will it save hospitals and doctors? No, it will just allow them to continue to provide halfassed care.
The ability for a judge to throw out a frivilous case would be great. Making the loser pay in court would help too.
But the Tort reform is also going to limit the payments to those who's lives have been fucked up by gross incompetence or negligence. And that is certainly no cure for what ails the system.
Dungheap. Your brain is a joke, seriously. by universal he means it SHOULD be universal? That's laughable. To even say that out loud indicates an inability to think on your part.
I see what you are saying, but this isn't one of those things that slipped under the radar. It was a big deal during the primary and was a key point of contention between him, Clinton and Edwards. Moreover, his plan makes clear that it has no mandate. it was a defining feature of his plan. It isn't as though he didn't provide the details and we cannot hold him to his campaign proposals.
AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.
In America, rights are are not determined by what is just, fair, equitable, honest, nor by what Jesus would do. Rights are determined ONLY by what you can DEMAND.
You speak of our military arsenal as if it is static and doesn't change. When new high-tech bombers and warships are built, others are decommissioned, and sent to the scrapyard. There really isn't much actual "growth" in the size of our fleets, it's still about the same as it's been the past 50 years.
The fundamental argument here is not the money, we've proven that we can fund almost anything, we just run a deficit doing it, and if we implement a universal nationalized health care program, it will certainly be deficit spending, unless you know of some way to magically generate $10 trillion to bring us back into the black! No, the fundamental argument is what it will do to our state-of-the-art medical system. When you start introducing federal mandates to hospitals and doctors, you will drive many of them completely out of business, and when you start fantasizing like DQ, about nationwide clinics open 24/7, you will have to find a way to staff them and pay for the doctors to work there. The people receiving the benefits of the service are not going to be paying for it, who is? The American taxpayer? Well, that might be okay if there were ANY proof that such a thing could work, but we see evidence in everything the government is involved in, it doesn't work!
We have got to get liberal Americans off this mindset that government is the answer to every problem! We need to find free market solutions and answers, and allow free enterprise to work, rather than consistently burdening the taxpayer with more bureaucratic government waste and inefficiency. What the private sector can do with $80 billion is FAR more than our government can do!
AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.
In America, rights are are not determined by what is just, fair, equitable, honest, nor by what Jesus would do. Rights are determined ONLY by what you can DEMAND.
You want a free market answer to healthcare problems for people who cannot pay??
Do you not see the lunacy in that statement?
YOu want the government NOT to be involved, but you want to involve organizations who have to make a profit to be involved in healthcare that poor people cannot pay for?
Yeah, thats a great solution to the problem.
When the music was playing few people listened to the actual words.
The beat is bumpin' .. sounds like he said he's a man of peace .. sounds like he said he's an anti-corporatist .. sounded like he said he's against the Patriot Act and illegal government wiretapping and spying .. didn't I hear him say we needed to change Washington ..
Now the election is over and people are coming down off that high .. wondering who is this person they went to bed with.
He ain't what he seemed while they were high.
AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.
In America, rights are are not determined by what is just, fair, equitable, honest, nor by what Jesus would do. Rights are determined ONLY by what you can DEMAND.
I've never argued against preventative care for the poor, I pointed out, we already have a system in place for that... It's called The Public Health Clinic, and they are found in EVERY state in America! I also haven't argued against Medicaid/Medicare, but we do need to look at how we are doling it out to everybody, whether they are 'poor' or not! I've also not advocated increasing the military budget, that is a red herring you introduced into this debate.
I have argued against nationalizing health care, because I realize it will destroy quality of care, which is more important to me personally. This nation is full of half-wit dreamers like DQ, who think we can somehow demand that insurance companies 'give' insurance to the uninsurable, and tell doctors they have to work 24/7 in free clinics nationwide! Fuck the cost, we just need to keep dreaming up ways to squander money we don't have! Fuck the fact that government can't 'efficiently' take a shit, let's let them run our health care system anyway! You people are insane, and it's getting worse every day!
Here I just MENTION the possibility of reforming TORT laws, and you jump all over it with your typical liberal talking points, you don't have any inclination whatsoever, to do a damn thing about them! Meanwhile, some sheister lawyer is figuring out how to make a buck with a class action suit against some unsuspecting pharmaceutical company, over something that should be basic common sense to us all! Chantix has helped millions of Americans kick the smoking habit, but because some nitwit suffering from mental disorders took it and committed suicide, they are about to be put out of business because of opportunistic lawyers who prey on any misfortune because the law allows them to! I don't have a problem with basic negligence and legitimate lawsuits against shoddy doctoring, but the current laws and rules allow far too much of this frivolous shit, which in turn, costs us all!
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