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    I'm not sure the bible specifies it must be sincere. The passage you quoted John 3:16 just says you must believe on "him."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ib1yysguy View Post
    I'm not sure the bible specifies it must be sincere. The passage you quoted John 3:16 just says you must believe on "him."
    But doesn't the belief in him denote sincerity? Besides, the repentence is not necessarily done outloud. According to the bible, God sees what is in your heart. So the words, if they were contrary, would be meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desh View Post
    I got news for you guys no one is going to heaven just like no one is going to disneyland after they die, its a fantasy.
    LMAO!

    I am not saying that I believe any of it. I am just discussing an aspect of christianity.

    I consider myself a spiritual person, but have a profound mistrust of any organized religion. I have studied several religions in depth and have a passing knowledge of quite a few more.

    I think it is a fascinating subject.

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    Yeah I was just messing with everyone.

    Religion is fascinating and I agree with you that organized religion is mostly about collecting money and power for the people at the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desh View Post
    Yeah I was just messing with everyone.

    Religion is fascinating and I agree with you that organized religion is mostly about collecting money and power for the people at the top.
    Sarcasm never translates well online, does it?

    A lot of religions have been used as a control for the populations. Obviously christianity and islam have been used to keep women under control.

    But there is also some beauty in all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solitary View Post
    What you are describing, WM, fails the premise in one central way. The repentence must be sincere.

    While it is true that you would not do the things against God, there is an allowance for losing your faith or backsliding. And there is the allowance for those who come to God later in life.

    "The general belief, I think, was that if you truly believe in God you won't do those things against him"

    This is the reason why the actual translation for the word "sin" is a separation from God.
    Well, basically, I just think that the "faith alone" beliefs just make it too easy to sin on purpose and then pretend to come back to God constantly.

    Contrary to their beliefs, it's a much worse situation than atheists, because evangelicals are under the impression that no matter how bad they fuck up on purpose things will always be perfect for them in the end.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solitary View Post
    LMAO!

    I am not saying that I believe any of it. I am just discussing an aspect of christianity.

    I consider myself a spiritual person, but have a profound mistrust of any organized religion. I have studied several religions in depth and have a passing knowledge of quite a few more.

    I think it is a fascinating subject.
    I don't really consider myself "religious" or "spiritual", but I have had several very religious experiences since I've become an atheist. I just knew that they were only experiences.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solitary View Post
    Sarcasm never translates well online, does it?

    A lot of religions have been used as a control for the populations. Obviously christianity and islam have been used to keep women under control.

    But there is also some beauty in all of them.

    They usually start out with good motives and then are bastardized by weak and or evil people for money and power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desh View Post
    They usually start out with good motives and then are bastardized by weak and or evil people for money and power.
    It is an excellent way to control people and people's money. And you need no real authority when you use a diety's authority for your own purposes.

    The stronger a people's faith is the more susceptible they are to the perversion of their beliefs.

    But some organizations seem remarkably free from corruption.

    The Quakers come to mind, as do the Amish and Mennonites. They must have a profound faith to accomplish what they have, and yet they have not (to my limited knowledge) had a leader corrupt them.

    And the impact of religion on the arts makes it worth whatever hassles they present.

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    I thought only liberals would not go to heaven ?
    Bush doubled the debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion.
    Proving tax cuts work!

    Bush asked for and signed for the TARP money.
    The Republican senate leader backed Bush on this.

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    I always imagined cons going to heaven only to find its like they always preached and then they hate every minute of it because they cant play footsie in the bathroom or fuck their aides and steal money.

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    If free will does not go away when we go to heaven it will suck just like on earth.

    How the heck did the angels revolt in heaven anyway ?
    Bush doubled the debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion.
    Proving tax cuts work!

    Bush asked for and signed for the TARP money.
    The Republican senate leader backed Bush on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uscitizen View Post
    If free will does not go away when we go to heaven it will suck just like on earth.

    How the heck did the angels revolt in heaven anyway ?
    Maybe thats why so many faiths have reincarnation?

    Perhaps heaven is as boring as eternal life with free will and no ability to effect anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solitary View Post
    Maybe thats why so many faiths have reincarnation?

    Perhaps heaven is as boring as eternal life with free will and no ability to effect anything.
    I think the suicide rate in heaven is prob-lee sky high.
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