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    Default My position on Iraq

    Well, it hasn't changed one bit. I still feel it was the right thing to do, and we will be better off in the long run for having done it. I still feel there were things Bush and Rumsfeld bungled and misjudged, but the objective was met and it was what needed to be done.

    No sooner than I logged in, Mainey was hitting me with the latest body count number... My question to Mainey is, why hasn't something been done? Congress has been in Democrat control for over 4 years, and our troops are not home yet? He acts like it's MY fault they are still in Iraq, but the Democrats in charge of Congress control the funding for the war, and without their support, it couldn't continue. So, why are we still in Iraq, Democrats?

    You don't want to face the truth, you don't even want to think about it! You've managed to convince or dupe a whole bunch of really stupid people into buying your Michael Moore contrived bullshit, and you think this means you were right all along. In fact, you are not right about Iraq, never have been, and probably never will be. It will take upwards of 50 years for us to fully realize the benefit of Iraqi liberation, and forming an opinion on it now, is equivalent to me saying... well, those latest government mandates for carbon emissions haven't stopped global warming, so it is concluded there is nothing we can do about it.

    Big problems take an enormous amount of time and effort to solve, and the instability in the middle east, is a BIG problem. You have no solutions, other than to ignore the problem, or try to sit down and talk to unreasonable people who have vowed to use your 'diplomacy' against you. It might be okay if there was any indication that would work, but we've tried it and it doesn't work, at least not with radical Islam.

    It still amazes me, how liberals (of all people) are opposed to liberation! Opposed to toppling a tyrant who was violating the rights of women routinely, denying basic human rights to almost everyone, and feeding people into wood chippers who disagreed with him. For whatever reason, you want to make excuses for him, justify his behavior, and accept these atrocities as part of life we just have to deal with. If you were a principled bunch, it would seem you would be in favor of liberating millions, giving women the right to vote, and allowing minorities a voice in the political process.

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    total victory

    Well it would be if not for those obstructionst republicans in congress.

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    I actually clicked on this thinking that there might have been some sort of epiphany, or at least a sober re-assessment of all of the woefully wrong predictions & premature declarations of "victory."

    Oh, well; it's official, anyway. No hope for you.

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    Well we do need one of thoe 30 percenter republicans on here I suppose.

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    yeah but 30% of republicans think we are doing fine.

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    An oldie but goodie.

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    Like I said... Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the House, the Democrats are in charge, why haven't they brought the troops home? If the overwhelming and vast majority of people in this country, share your pinheaded view on Iraq, why do you figure we are still there?

    Let me make this easy for you... because it is the right thing to do. It's not the popular thing, it's not the easiest thing, but it is the right thing. Regardless of whether you think it was wise to do it, regardless of whether you would have done things differently, it is still the right thing to do, to keep our forces in Iraq until it is stabilized.

    Now, I have often asked myself... Dixie, why are so many pinheads opposed to Iraq? The only conclusions I can come up with are, you are a bunch of political partisans who oppose Iraq because a republican supported it.... you are devout socialists who seek to destroy America from within... You don't believe we can do a thing about terrorism other than to let the government have more control over our personal lives, and that only happens when we stick our heads in the sand and get blind-sided by the terrorists. If you are opposed to Iraq, it is likely one or more of those reasons.

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    Same ol Dixie.


    And I hoped you had been in rehab during your absence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie View Post
    Well, it hasn't changed one bit. I still feel it was the right thing to do, and we will be better off in the long run for having done it. I still feel there were things Bush and Rumsfeld bungled and misjudged, but the objective was met and it was what needed to be done.

    No sooner than I logged in, Mainey was hitting me with the latest body count number... My question to Mainey is, why hasn't something been done? Congress has been in Democrat control for over 4 years, bullshit!and our troops are not home yet? He acts like it's MY fault they are still in Iraq, but the Democrats in charge of Congress control the funding for the war, and without their support, it couldn't continue. So, why are we still in Iraq, Democrats? I am furious with my party for not doing more to end the war, but the lack of 60 votes in the senate has hampered the process

    You don't want to face the truth, you don't even want to think about it! You've managed to convince or dupe a whole bunch of really stupid people into buying your Michael Moore contrived bullshit, and you think this means you were right all along. In fact, you are not right about Iraq, never have been, and probably never will be. It will take upwards of 50 years for us to fully realize the benefit of Iraqi liberation, and forming an opinion on it now, is equivalent to me saying... well, those latest government mandates for carbon emissions haven't stopped global warming, so it is concluded there is nothing we can do about it. expecting to cram the seeds of a jeffersonian multicultural democracy down the throats of the Iraqi people and expecting it to grow under an american armed occupation is ridiculous and always has been.

    Big problems take an enormous amount of time and effort to solve, and the instability in the middle east, is a BIG problem. You have no solutions, other than to ignore the problem, or try to sit down and talk to unreasonable people who have vowed to use your 'diplomacy' against you. It might be okay if there was any indication that would work, but we've tried it and it doesn't work, at least not with radical Islam. and yet you condone Petraeus sitting down and talking with sunni warlords in Iraq - who still have wet american blood on their hands and give them weapons and money to buy their cooperation. how droll!

    It still amazes me, how liberals (of all people) are opposed to liberation! Opposed to toppling a tyrant who was violating the rights of women routinely, denying basic human rights to almost everyone, and feeding people into wood chippers who disagreed with him. For whatever reason, you want to make excuses for him, justify his behavior, and accept these atrocities as part of life we just have to deal with. If you were a principled bunch, it would seem you would be in favor of liberating millions, giving women the right to vote, and allowing minorities a voice in the political process.
    The world is full of assholes. I am not opposed to helping the people under their oppressive yoke cast them aside. I am opposed to invading, conquering and occupying a country that did NOT attack us and that had NOTHING to do with the attacks of 9/11 and wasting a HUGE portion of our military might in babysitting that occupation while the assholes that attacked us are free to hold a televised outdoor graduation ceremony for hundreds of suicide bombers in a location not a stone's throw from where they were hiding out the day the attacked us.

    The sunnis and shiites in the artificially constructed "country" of Iraq are NEVER going to agree to live peacefully with one another...and that issue is separate and distinct from the issue of stateless islamic extremism and its continuing threat to our country. Iraq is counterproductive to the war against our enemies. period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desh View Post
    "Congress has been in Democrat control for over 4 years"

    Man do you live in a fantasy land.
    he forgets it was only 2006 when we won control of both houses of congress and he welched on his bet with me like a spineless girlieman. It would appear that, not only did he not grow a set of balls during his sabbatical, or develop a sense of ethics, he apparently lost some memory as well!

    a sad state of affairs, indeed.

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    What do you have against the Welch?
    Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
    - -- Aristotle

    Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
    - -- The Buddha

    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
    - -- Aristotle

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    I dunno but you can hunt em with bows after sundown or something.

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