White Women’s Rage: 5 Thoughts on Why Jan Brewer Should Keep Her Fingers to Herself

Superfreak said:
you mean the (R) woman felt Obama was being dismissive of her and talking down to her is spouting off 'right wing' talking points even though a well known female liberal on this site just commented on how Obama is dismissive of women? Are you a closet right winger now?
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Yes, both of those statements are true.

That is why I could not guess who is telling the truth about that private encounter, and I have no opinion on it.
 
Darla said:
I know but you're so wonderful SF. Not everyone can be as thoughtful and wonderful as you.
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LMAO... look at the photo. When you lean in over someone like that with the height differential... are you really suggesting that it is not intimidating to the shorter person?

It isn't that I am wonderful (I am actually evil), it is that I was told enough times by those substantially shorter than me that it was intimidating. It was not intentional on my part, but it one thing that I am consciously aware of now and I thus try not to do it. Unless of course I am TRYING to intimidate someone, but that is usually reserved for those with extreme cases of little man disease.
 
Darla said:
Yes, I am quite aware of your contempt for feminists, I've picked up on before but never said anything, just as I've never said anything when I've seen poet say something that I find sexist. Frankly if SF wrote a few of the things poet wrote I would be all over him.

And that is my fault because I don't always feel like getting into a big fight with some man. Because guess what? Some man is always saying some stupid shit about women somewhere. I don't have the energy for it anymore. I am sick and tired of it. I don't tolerate it in my personal life but I can't end it online.

I also think that in England you're probably considered a conservative. Your take on race and gender are not the only issues I've seen this show up in. I've no doubt the righties here consider you to be a rabid leftist only because of what they are comparing you to - themselves.
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Well if you stuck to the kitchen where you belong you wouldn't hear what those mean men were saying. ;)
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO... look at the photo. When you lean in over someone like that with the height differential... are you really suggesting that it is not intimidating to the shorter person?

It isn't that I am wonderful (I am actually evil), it is that I was told enough times by those substantially shorter than me that it was intimidating. It was not intentional on my part, but it one thing that I am consciously aware of now and I thus try not to do it. Unless of course I am TRYING to intimidate someone, but that is usually reserved for those with extreme cases of little man disease.
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Honestly the first thing I see when I look at that picture is a woman jabbing her finger in some man's face.

Also as the Governor of the most racist state in the Nation (currently) she gets no benefit of any doubt from me on any racist implications.

Yes, I've read enough that I consider credible about Obama to believe that he's not what I hoped he would be as far as women go. I think he is a boy's club guy. Any liberal who objects to this, I would suggest they read Ron Suskind's book.

It's quite possible you have a racist and a man who tends to be dismissive of women having a confrontation.

It's possible that what I gleaned from the headlines I read is true; that she ran up to him and basically sandbagged him because she was looking for publicity.

It's possible that Obama is a big prick. I really don't know. I have no opinion on the meeting, and I think it's so trivial. The only reason I first commented on this thread, if you'll go back and see my post, is not because I give a crap about this nonsense. It was because the posts made here by men were gross and hostile and offensive to women.
 
Anyone seen the video of the encounter? For some reason there is no footage of the pointing and the "towering" over her (that I think is actually Obama walking away from her) but it's pretty funny. He comes down the stairs, they shake hands and engage in smiling chit chat. Then . . . something happens and the camera cuts away and you can't see what's happening and then Obama is walking up to a crowd and shakes hands. The whole thing is like 30 seconds long. The idea that this was some big confrontation is hilarious.
 
Dungheap said:
Anyone seen the video of the encounter? For some reason there is no footage of the pointing and the "towering" over her (that I think is actually Obama walking away from her) but it's pretty funny. He comes down the stairs, they shake hands and engage in smiling chit chat. Then . . . something happens and the camera cuts away and you can't see what's happening and then Obama is walking up to a crowd and shakes hands. The whole thing is like 30 seconds long. The idea that this was some big confrontation is hilarious.
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Yeah I read that it was totally blown out of proportion by the drama queens on the right. I just assumed that was true because...well, because they're a bunch of a drama queens.
 
Darla said:
Yeah I read that it was totally blown out of proportion by the drama queens on the right. I just assumed that was true because...well, because they're a bunch of a drama queens.
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I don't think the Clunk Collective are right wing drama queens though?
 
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Dungheap said:
Anyone seen the video of the encounter? For some reason there is no footage of the pointing and the "towering" over her (that I think is actually Obama walking away from her) but it's pretty funny. He comes down the stairs, they shake hands and engage in smiling chit chat. Then . . . something happens and the camera cuts away and you can't see what's happening and then Obama is walking up to a crowd and shakes hands. The whole thing is like 30 seconds long. The idea that this was some big confrontation is hilarious.
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The uncut video is no better. About 1:15 in length. They show the same thing of him walking off the plane, the smiling chit chat, then the camera gets ushered to the other side of the limo which blocks the view of all but Obama's head. Then at about the minute mark, Obama walks around the limo and up to the crowd to greet them. So all in all, the 'hostilities' lasted about 30 seconds at most.
 
Darla said:
Yeah I read that it was totally blown out of proportion by the drama queens on the right. I just assumed that was true because...well, because they're a bunch of a drama queens.
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LMAO... yet it is the left that is bitching and moaning about her being 'disrespectful' to the President.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I don't think the Clunk Collective are right wing drama queens though?
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Well, I understand their point. Taken collectively, the behavior of the elected right (and it is very important to remember we are discussing the actions of elected officials here, not internet cranks like Yurt) towards Obama does indicate a disrespect that we have not seen directed at other Presidents, for the most part.

I think the most obvious example for me was that congressman from S Carolina who yelled out "you lie" during the state of the union. You're not American, but I assure you, that is simply not done. I have zero doubt he did it because Obama is black. Zero doubt. I can't prove that. But I know it.

This particular incident you have the added dynamics of a white woman and a black man. You can look at it from SF's point of view (or his claimed point of view) and say there is a large man towering over a smaller woman. However, you cannot dismiss hundreds of years of white supremacy where at the nod of a white woman's head, a black man could be murdered.

So there are many ways to look at that encounter, however since we are talking about Brewer, and since all other witnesses say this was in no way the big confrontation she herself is portraying it as, I think it's a tempest in a teapot.

But as part of a pattern? Well that is another story.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
It was Poet that started the thread.
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Listen, no poster on this board that has about 6 active posters represents the left or the right. And if the claim is that the left is making a big deal out of this because poet posted something, then that's nonsensical on its face.

If you don't want to read it, don't read it. If you are someone with an open and interested mind, go to the link and read the discussion. It never hurts to get the views of people who aren't white dudes! I know I always find it interesting. But then what have I learned from white dudes on this thread Tom?

Why I can't really write out what I learned and not be embarrassed now can I? I guess I can say that I learned that there are a lot of pigs here!

I am lucky that I know that the white men who post here aren't representative. Necessarily...
 
Superfreak said:
The uncut video is no better. About 1:15 in length. They show the same thing of him walking off the plane, the smiling chit chat, then the camera gets ushered to the other side of the limo which blocks the view of all but Obama's head. Then at about the minute mark, Obama walks around the limo and up to the crowd to greet them. So all in all, the 'hostilities' lasted about 30 seconds at most.
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If there were even any. The other witnesses say there weren't and this is invented by Brewer to get publicity. That might be a case of a picture not conveying what was really happening, which is very possible.
 
Superfreak said:
You were serious with that nonsense in the OP?

So the MAN is allowed to demean the little woman and she should just keep her mouth shut and get back in the kitchen? Is that what you think she should have done. HE by all accounts started the confrontation. HE is not a God. HE works FOR the people.
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Demean "the little woman"??? Hardly "little" or "a woman". She's a banshee, and a total prick. She lied. Initially stating that her meeting with President Obama, at the WH had gone well, and cordially, and then doing an about face, in her book....and President Obama, naturally, took issue, and undoubtedly, told her so. What? Because she's woman, a governor, a right wing nut, she's not required to be accountable for her words or her actions????? BS. If it had been me, with her finger in my face, she would have had a hand imprint, across her face. No Bones. Now take me to task.
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO, says the man who proclaims Reps/Conservatives are a bunch of racists on a daily basis.
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Tell the truth, shame the devil. Find me a conservative/repub that doesn't tow the racist party line, and I'll tip my hat. Take a look around here. Where is one? Don't try me.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Did they show videos to kids of their sexual activities with groupies in hotel rooms on MTV?
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WTF? Is that your standard? You and I don't know to what extent anything went down or not. You can't excuse the bad behavior of some, by the bad behavior of others.
 
Superfreak said:
Ah, the sexist in you comes out. You ARE just pissed that she is a woman and dared to stand up to a man.
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I'm pissed that he didn't deck her, or couldn't, confined by his office. She wasn't acting like a woman, so why should she be treated like one?
 
Superfreak said:
Speaking of Men respecting women, is it because Brewer has an R after her name that she is not due a degree of respect as well? People keep pointing to her finger pointing photo and saying the finger shows she was disrespectful. Yet no Dems mention the fact that he is hovering over her in the photo. Talking down to her. In terms of body language, his is an intimidating posture. Also... why is the Whiner in Chief bitching about her book? Is that why he went to AZ? Because she wrote stuff in her book that made him cry?
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You're insane. She was the aggressor. And if you can't see that....there's nothing more to say.
 
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