I dont understand why so many do not want to address the real problem?

Celticguy said:
root cause - people have forgotten what is right and what is wrong

Why ?

a society that wants what it wants irrespective of any consequences.

is it any wonder that despite the handwringing and gnashing of teeth from leftists nothing changes for the better ?

looting, murder and mayhem in cities is OK

abortion as contraception is OK

f*cking anything you can find the hips on is OK

black on black (or brown on brown) murder is OK

mutalating yourself because you are scared of the opposite sex is OK EVEN FOR CHILDREN

do NOT try to tell me what I can or cannot do....

well guess what, ITS NOT OK

it was never OK nor will it ever be OK

time to grow up or shut up.

start by getting right with GOD ALMIGHTY.
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Whatever, we're taking your guns.
 
Sailor said:
Yawn. Time to put your ignorant ass on ignore.
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Please. I'll just keep responding to you if you don't. Please put me on ignore and take the rest of your disgusting redneck scum with you.

And we ARE taking your guns, asshole. It's done.
 
Celticguy said:
your party wants to murder black babies, grow up
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Your guns are as good as gone. And them we're going to pack SCOTUS with correct-thinking justices who aren't the right-wing thugs trump appointed and we're going to Federalize Roe. Women won't live under your thumb pig.
 
Stone said:
Would stricter gun laws help?
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No question.

It wouldn't make a difference in every case, but it would in some.

Here's a simple illustration:

On the morning December 14, 2012, a disturbed young man armed himself and headed to an elementary school, with the plan to kill as many children and teachers as he could. Once there, he began his attack.

Now the question: how many people died?

It's a trick question, because there are two correct answers. You see, I just described two different events, each of which matches that description perfectly. The one difference: in the Sandy Hook attack, the disturbed young man had guns, while in the Chenpeng attack (in China where guns are hard to come by) he just had a knife. So, while 24 people were wounded in Chenpeng before the attacker was subdued, every single one of them survived. Some kids will go through life with some nasty scars as a result, but they'll get to live. In Sandy Hook, by comparison, 28 people died.

It defies belief to suggest that if Adam Lanza had only a knife he'd have killed 28 people before being subdued, and it defies belief to suggest that if Min Yongjun had an XM15-E2S rifle, a Glock 20SF handgun, and Savage Mark II rifle he'd have been subdued before causing any fatal wounds.

But, yes, I'll admit there are root causes of the US's severe violence problem beyond just the multiplier effect of guns. Even if you just look at non-firearms homicides, ours are elevated somewhat from those of most wealthy nations (though nowhere near as much as our total homicide rate is elevated).

For example, for 2015, the US had a non-firearm homicide rate of 1.5, versus 0.5 in Germany, whereas we had a firearms homicide rate of 4.1 versus 0.1 in Germany, meaning a total rate for us of 5.6, versus 0.6 for Germany. So, we were over nine times as likely to kill each other as the Germans were, and three times as likely to kill each other even when gun murders were ignored. That is the pattern of data we'd expect to see if, say, 2/3 of the problem were our guns, and 1/3 were other cultural factors.

As for what those other cultural factors might be, perhaps we could look at what causes such big divides from state to state. That can be hard to tease out, since there are factors like population density known to contribute to violent crime (more urbanized places generally have higher murder rates). But the data show that there are some quite dense and urbanized states that aren't in bad shape, like MA, NJ, CT, and NY (currently, murder rates between 2.7 and 4.7), whereas there are other much less urbanized states that are in horrible shape, like AL, LA, and MS (rates between 14.2 and 20.5). Is that all about guns? If not, what other factors are at work? What is it that drives some populations over the edge, while others remain fairly civil?

One possibility: religion. The least religious states in the US are VT, ME, NH, and MA. They all have bottom-5 murder rates. The most religious states are MS, AL, UT, and LA. Three out of four of those have the three highest murder rates in the country (Utah, as in many things, is the exception):

https://www.statista.com/statistics/221454/share-of-religious-americans-by-state/
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm

That would also help to explain why the US is such a bloody mess when it comes to violence, and Japan is so peaceful, since the US is the most religious large wealthy country and Japan is the least.
 
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LurchAddams said:
Your guns are as good as gone. And them we're going to pack SCOTUS with correct-thinking justices who aren't the right-wing thugs trump appointed and we're going to Federalize Roe. Women won't live under your thumb pig.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
Mina said:
No question.

It wouldn't make a difference in every case, but it would in some.

Here's a simple illustration:

On the morning December 14, 2012, a disturbed young man grabbed a weapon and headed to an elementary school, with the plan to kill as many children and teachers as he could. Once there, he began his attack.

Now the question: how many people died?

It's a trick question, because there are two correct answers. You see, I just described two different events, each of which matches that description perfectly. The one difference: in the Sandy Hook attack, the disturbed young man had guns, while in the Chenpeng attack (in China where guns are hard to come by) he just had a knife. So, while 24 people were wounded in Chenpeng before the attacker was subdued, every single one of them survived. Some kids will go through life with some nasty scars as a result, but they'll get to live. In Sandy Hook, by comparison, 28 people died.

It defies belief to suggest that if Adam Lanza had only a knife he'd have killed 28 people before being subdued, and it defies belief to suggest that if Min Yongjun had an XM15-E2S rifle, a Glock 20SF handgun, and Savage Mark II rifle he'd have been subdued before causing any fatal wounds.

But, yes, I'll admit there are root causes of the US's severe violence problem beyond just the multiplier effect of guns. Even if you just look at non-firearms homicides, ours are elevated somewhat from those of most wealthy nations (though nowhere near as much as our total homicide rate is elevated).

For example, for 2015, the US had a non-firearm homicide rate of 1.5, versus 0.5 in Germany, whereas we had a firearms homicide rate of 4.1 versus 0.1 in Germany, meaning a total rate for us of 5.6, versus 0.6 for Germany. So, we were over nine times as likely to kill each other as the Germans were, and three times as likely to kill each other even when gun murders were ignored. That is the pattern of data we'd expect to see if, say, 2/3 of the problem were our guns, and 1/3 were other cultural factors.

As for what those other cultural factors might be, perhaps we could look at what causes such big divides from state to state. That can be hard to tease out, since there are factors like population density known to contribute to violent crime (more urbanized places generally have higher murder rates). But the data show that there are some quite dense and urbanized states that aren't in bad shape, like MA, NJ, CT, and NY (currently, murder rates between 2.7 and 4.7), whereas there are other much less urbanized states that are in horrible shape, like AL, LA, and MS (rates between 14.2 and 20.5). Is that all about guns? If not, what other factors are at work? What is it that drives some populations over the edge, while others remain fairly civil?

One possibility: religion. The least religious states in the US are VT, ME, NH, and MA. They all have bottom-5 murder rates. The most religious states are MS, AL, UT, and LA. Three out of four of those have the three highest murder rates in the country (Utah, as in many things, is the exception):

https://www.statista.com/statistics/221454/share-of-religious-americans-by-state/
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm

That would also help to explain why the US is such a bloody mess when it comes to violence, and Japan is so peaceful, since the US is the most religious large wealthy country and Japan is the least.
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Also, one other thought..... when pointing to the difference between US states, some will be drawn to blame poverty, and surely that's a factor in why, say, Massachusetts is in such good shape and Mississippi is in such bad. But it's not as simple as where people have money. When it comes to GDP per capita, Alaska, for example, is far, far richer than Maine, yet also far more violent. Clearly there's more going on.

And the data is even stranger when you look internationally. Mississippi is by far our poorest state, with a GDP per capita of just $42,411. But that's actually not very poor by international standards. If it were a country, its GDP per capita would be barely below Germany, Belgium, and Canada and just above the UK, Japan, and France. Why, if a lack of money is the issue, do all those places have much lower murder rates than the US?
 
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The #1 lesson of WW2 was that civilization runs thin, it must be constantly tended.

By 1970 we had already forgotten this.

We are so fucked.
 
Celticguy said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Strange that you're laughing when we're coming for you guns. You know they're as good as gone now. You guys pushed it too far and yesterday in TX is what happened.

Yep, say, "bye", Princess. We're taking them.
 
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