Corona Virus Peak Watch Thread

The only way you can believe that is to think either they made the virus and/or spread it on purpose, sorry but it would be up to you and others to prove that and so far the science says No.

It times of tyranny such as this the rules change.
 
So far the science say yes, and the Communist Party keeps acting like they are guilty but since they have destroyed the data and the Chinese people who know what happened also know that anyone who disputes the story that the Party is putting out will get hurt, along with their friends and family, because that is how the Chinese operate, we are not likely to get answers. For instance medical staff in WUHAN who refused to show up to work were told in no uncertain terms that not only would their careers be over if they continued, but that their loved ones would be hurt as well.

You are either a liar or else completely ignorant on this topic.

You are fully brainwashed into believing nonsense. In some ways you are correct, the Chinese play close to the vest, and yes they have human rights issues but your story is just that, a story, that someone has fed you. Ever been to China? I have, several times, and I have worked for both Huawei and ZTE. They have their Government Agents, especially inside the US, not for spying on the Americans so much but on their own People and each other as companies, the business is cut throat in China and almost everything is fair in that regard. In China I had a Government Agent with me at all times, Really Cute Chinese Girl that was an Attorney and of-course worked for the government, it was kinda a private joke between us. I asked one time why they trusted me more than many of the other Americans, the answer was enlightening, it was because I was born in Germany and that they figured that I would be less likely to be an agent for Our Government, everyone is paranoid. But I will say this, while over there I never once was denied to travel anywhere I wanted to go, and discovered by accident that I had been very close to several of their military installations that normally even their own people cannot get close to. And no they never tried to turn me to their side, it was business and that was What I was there to help them with. Can we trust the Chinese, not any more than you can trust the guy selling you something at the flea market, do they hate us and want to destroy us, No, just never forget that what the Chinese do is good for China in the long haul, everything else takes a back seat.

Learning anything yet, or are you stock on programmed?
 
It times of tyranny such as this the rules change.

What rules, getting your country turned into a glass parking lot is not one of those changes and with an attack that you describe that would be the reply.

Nope the Chinese are not that stupid, the Russians on the other had have been doing lots things and do not seem to care who knows, because they know neither do you.
 
You are fully brainwashed into believing nonsense. In some ways you are correct, the Chinese play close to the vest, and yes they have human rights issues but your story is just that, a story, that someone has fed you. Ever been to China? I have, several times, and I have worked for both Huawei and ZTE. They have their Government Agents, especially inside the US, not for spying on the Americans so much but on their own People and each other as companies, the business is cut throat in China and almost everything is fair in that regard. In China I had a Government Agent with me at all times, Really Cute Chinese Girl that was an Attorney and of-course worked for the government, it was kinda a private joke between us. I asked one time why they trusted me more than many of the other Americans, the answer was enlightening, it was because I was born in Germany and that they figured that I would be less likely to be an agent for Our Government, everyone is paranoid. But I will say this, while over there I never once was denied to travel anywhere I wanted to go, and discovered by accident that I had been very close to several of their military installations that normally even their own people cannot get close to. And no they never tried to turn me to their side, it was business and that was What I was there to help them with. Can we trust the Chinese, not any more than you can trust the guy selling you something at the flea market, do they hate us and want to destroy us, No, just never forget that what the Chinese do is good for China in the long haul, everything else takes a back seat.

Learning anything yet, or are you stock on programmed?

Bull Shit. If you are being honest then your mind does not grasp reality here.

You are also behaving as an asshole, which makes it likely that you dont want to know the truth, that you operate with a closed mind.






I do not make that colossal mistake.
 
I am done spending much time with or having much respect for those who are either liars or else they live in an alternate universe.

If they insist upon being assholes then my tolerance goes down to zero.

There is no excuse for deciding to be a shit person.

Them kind need to get tuned-up.

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The only way you can believe that is to think either they made the virus and/or spread it on purpose, sorry but it would be up to you and others to prove that and so far the science says No.

The science lol.

Don’t really need ‘the science’ in this instance because we know the CCP was lying about human to human transmission while they were allowing their nationals to seed the planet with the CCP virus. Killing millions, disrupting the global economy and causing untold damage to societies affected by draconian lockdowns.

At best, at best, they were maliciously negligent. No science required.
 
The science lol.

Don’t really need ‘the science’ in this instance because we know the CCP was lying about human to human transmission while they were allowing their nationals to seed the planet with the CCP virus. Killing millions, disrupting the global economy and causing untold damage to societies affected by draconian lockdowns.

At best, at best, they were maliciously negligent. No science required.

Why should you worry when you've consistently downplayed Covid 19 as a threat , 61 ?

Why don't you tell folks why you're called ' 61 ' ?


Haw, haw.......................................haw.
 
The science lol.

Don’t really need ‘the science’ in this instance because we know the CCP was lying about human to human transmission while they were allowing their nationals to seed the planet with the CCP virus. Killing millions, disrupting the global economy and causing untold damage to societies affected by draconian lockdowns.

At best, at best, they were maliciously negligent. No science required.

Think that says it all.
 
Hello Darth,

There are more subtle ways to ask a loaded question lol.

It was more likely weaponized in a lab than purposely released as a weapon. In any event, the CCP is still directly culpable for every American death because they could have contained the spread—and stopped it in China, while they were busy lying about it.

I’m just trying to get to the bottom of this ‘no biggie’ attitude about it. If people care about Covid deaths they should care about who was ultimately responsible for them.

And you maintain that how nations react to the spread of a deadly worldwide pandemic has no bearing on how many deaths they sustain?

Makes no sense because there is such great variability between national death rates.

Taiwan has 0.4 deaths per million people, and the USA has 1675 deaths per million people. That's 1675/0.4 or 4187 to 1.

For every death per million people in Taiwan, there have been 4,187 deaths per million people in the USA.

Something is up there.

It has nothing to do with blaming China for starting this.

You like to say: "Virus is gonna virus." OK. Well, How come 'virus didn't virus' in Taiwan like it did in the USA?
 
Hello Darth,



And you maintain that how nations react to the spread of a deadly worldwide pandemic has no bearing on how many deaths they sustain?

Makes no sense because there is such great variability between national death rates.

Taiwan has 0.4 deaths per million people, and the USA has 1675 deaths per million people. That's 1675/0.4 or 4187 to 1.

For every death per million people in Taiwan, there have been 4,187 deaths per million people in the USA.

Something is up there.

It has nothing to do with blaming China for starting this.

Probably has a lot to do with comparing small island nations with large countries that have defacto open borders.
 
Hello Darth Omar,

Well, this thinking conservative doesn’t have a domestic political axe to grind, so I’m able to recognize which entity is responsible for the pandemic. And I’ll go as far as to call them out by name: the CCP.

And this does what to reduce deaths or bring the pandemic to an end sooner?
 
Hello Darth,

The science lol.

Don’t really need ‘the science’ in this instance because we know the CCP was lying about human to human transmission while they were allowing their nationals to seed the planet with the CCP virus. Killing millions, disrupting the global economy and causing untold damage to societies affected by draconian lockdowns.

At best, at best, they were maliciously negligent. No science required.

The USA lied about it too. We had Trump telling everybody every kind of lie he could think off to keep the stock market from crashing. He didn't want to let a cruise ship dock because he didn't want 'his numbers' to go up. So pointless. "Going to zero in 15 days," indeed.
 
Hello Darth,

Probably has a lot to do with comparing small island nations with large countries that have defacto open borders.

Perhaps, but we could have taken far more aggressive measures at the same time that Taiwan did. Nope. We chose not to. Our president was too busy being impeached. Good presidents do not GET impeached. Instead of leadership we got excuses and blaming.
 
Hello Darth Omar,



And this does what to reduce deaths or bring the pandemic to an end sooner?

Well, for one thing it could help avert the next pandemic if we knew *the truth* about how this one started.

The pandemic will end when the virus gets done virusing—probably with the help of vaccines.
 
Tuesday

3-23

USA

Total Cases 30,636,534

New Cases +58,705

Total Deaths 556,883

New Deaths +936

Total Recovered 23,039,585

Active Cases 7,040,066

Serious, Critical 8,643

Tot Cases/1M pop 92,165

Deaths/1M pop 1,675

Total Tests 392,235,568

Tests/1M pop 1,179,974
 
The number of Active Cases and the number of Serious, Critical Cases are still dropping in most of the USA.

That is not true in Florida.

The number of New Cases in Florida has bottomed out, and begun to rise.

A week ago, on March 16th, the number of New Cases in Florida was 4,791.

Yesterday, a week later, on March 23rd, the number of New Cases in Florida was 5,302.

And the problem is that around 50% of the New Cases in Florida are the more transmissible variants.

Florida appears to be shaping up to become the new epicenter of the next wave for the USA.

Thousands of irresponsible people have gone to Florida for spring vacations. There, they expected to be free from the restraints of more strict measures. Florida's Gov DeSantis has made it clear there would be as little restrictions as possible. And he lifted any requirements to pay previously incurred local COVID restriction fines.
 
As the number of Active Cases drops in the USA, but has begun to rise in Florida, the world is seeing different trends.

The number of Active Cases in the world is on the rise.

Europe is back in lock-down, an ominous warning to the USA that we had better not let our guard down.

Sadly, many of our Republican leaders are not listening to any concerns for human lives. All they can think about are concerns for business dollars.
 
Hello Darth,



The USA lied about it too. We had Trump telling everybody every kind of lie he could think off to keep the stock market from crashing. He didn't want to let a cruise ship dock because he didn't want 'his numbers' to go up. So pointless. "Going to zero in 15 days," indeed.

Trump was wrong about some things and so was *literally* everyone else up to and including Fauci, several democrat governors and the teachers unions. They were wrong to shut down elective procedures—at the cost of many lives. It’s a very long list.

Everyone gets to be a member of the I Was Wrong Club.

What you are trying to do is lay this at the feet of Trump/Trump supporters when the blame belongs at the feet of the CCP. If you want to be non-partisan about it.
 
Hello Darth,



Perhaps, but we could have taken far more aggressive measures at the same time that Taiwan did. Nope. We chose not to. Our president was too busy being impeached. Good presidents do not GET impeached. Instead of leadership we got excuses and blaming.

Been through this before.

Because the CCP was allowing their nationals to board flights and spread the virus *while they knew* of human to human transmission Trump was screwed, we were screwed, France was screwed and etc etc. All the large countries were basically in the same boat.

Doubt that? If we get another wave in six months will it still be ‘Trump’s fault’?
 
Hello Darth,

Been through this before.

Because the CCP was allowing their nationals to board flights and spread the virus *while they knew* of human to human transmission Trump was screwed, we were screwed, France was screwed and etc etc. All the large countries were basically in the same boat.

Doubt that? If we get another wave in six months will it still be ‘Trump’s fault’?

Do you think that if Taiwan had taken the same approach that Trump did, that Taiwan would still have just 10 deaths, you know, because it is an island nation?

So if instead of sending an advance team directly to Wuhan, and determining long before the WHO that this was a serious pandemic, and then strictly regulating all entry into the nation, and requiring everyone who enters to quarantine for 14 days, with government monitoring; if Taiwan had simply instead said "It's nothing to worry about, just like the flu, 15 cases going to zero, will be gone with the warm weather in spring, and only 40,000 people can come in from China with no restrictions," that Taiwan would STILL have just 1o deaths? Do you really believe that, Darth?
 
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