Can you point to one real lie Trump told, with the exact quote and link?
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Oh, so if Obama says something he BELIEVES to be true, its a lieWhen did I agree with that stupidity; of course Obama lied about keeping your doctor. Everyone with a brain knows that didn't happen. Nor did lower health costs or people getting healthier and the care they need.
What is clear is that you're an incoherent idiot.
If Trump says something he KNOWS is a lie, its still TRUE, because he believes it or because it makes libs upset? its interesting to learn how your cult works....
Cool, so as long as you can defraud "suckers" -- its ok, as long as he repays it in the form of a 25 million dollar judgement..got it...
I can't say I can disagree with you on that, because he has defrauded you suckers for quite some time....but their will be no refunding your self respect or dignity...
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
As Evmetro said, that is Gish Gallop at its finest. The fact that you think it’s a good idea to use it tells me you still don’t understand why it’s a fallacy. Why do you think only one person goes into the witness box at a time? Why not squeeze ten of your buddies in the box and let them all gabble on at once? How about all that paperwork lawyers wheel into court.
Why don’t they save time and just empty the contents of those boxes on the judge’s desk, and say, “There you go Judge. THAT’S why the defendant is guilty!”
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Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Wrong again snowflake; when Obama says you can keep your doctor, that was a lie because he knew it was a lie.
Wrong again snowflake; when Trump says he saw people celebrating in the streets of New Jersey over 9-11, that was factual and true.
Loving91390
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With his presidency coming to a close, here’s a look at 10 of Obama’s biggest whoppers, listed in chronological order. All of these earned Four Pinocchios, of course, but they also landed on our annual list of the biggest Pinocchios of the year.
To keep it simple, we have shortened the quotes in the headlines. To read the full column, click on the link embedded in the quote.
“More young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America”
This was a 2007 campaign claim by Obama, then a senator, that was wildly off the mark. In reality, there are*five times more black men enrolled in colleges and universities than young black men in federal and state prisons — and two and half times the total number incarcerated (including local jails). Even if you expanded the age group to include African American males up to 30 or 35, the college attendees would still outnumber the prisoners.
“We signed into law the biggest middle-class tax cut in history”
This 2011 claim was not based on a dollar figure but on dubious math — that supposedly 95 percent of working families received some kind of tax cut under the Making Work Pay provision in Obama’s*stimulus bill. John F. Kennedy actually wins the prize for biggest tax cut, at least in the last half-century. By the same measure, the income tax provisions of George W. Bush tax cuts were more than twice as large as Obama’s tax cut over the same three-year time span. (While a large portion of Bush’s tax cut went to the wealthy, it also benefited the working poor.)
“90 percent of the budget deficit is due to George W. Bush’s policies”
During the 2012 campaign, Obama repeatedly reminded voters that he became president during a grim economic crisis. But he went too far when he claimed that only 10 percent of the federal deficit was due to his own policies. About half of the deficit stemmed from the recession and forecasting errors, but a large chunk (44 percent in 2011) were the result of Obama’s actions. At another point, Obama also falsely suggested that the Bush tax cuts led to the Great Recession.
“If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it”
This memorable promise by Obama backfired on him in 2013 when the Affordable Care Act went into effect and at least 2 million Americans started receiving cancellation notices. As we explained, part of the reason for so many cancellations is because of an unusually early (March 23, 2010) cutoff date for grandfathering plans — and because of tight regulations written by the administration. So the uproar could be pinned directly on the administration’s own actions.
“The Capitol Hill janitors just got a pay cut”
President Obama offered an evocative image at a 2013 news conference when the sequester spending cuts struck the federal budget — janitors sweeping the empty halls of the Capitol, laboring for less pay. But it turned out that he was completely wrong. Janitorial staff did not face a pay cut — and Capitol Hill administrative officials even issued a statement saying the president’s remarks were “not true.” Then the White House tried to argue that janitors at least faced a loss of overtime. That was not correct either. The episode was emblematic of the administration’s overheated*rhetoric during the sequester debate.
“The day after Benghazi happened, I acknowledged that this was an act of terrorism”
Obama did refer to an “act of terror” in the immediate aftermath of the 2012 Benghazi attacks, but in vague terms, wrapped in a patriotic fervor. He never affirmatively stated that the American ambassador died because of an “act of terror.” Then, over a period of two weeks, given three opportunities in interviews to affirmatively agree that the Benghazi attack was a terrorist attack, the president obfuscated or ducked the question. So this was a case of taking revisionist history too far for political reasons.
“I didn’t call the Islamic State a ‘JV’ team”
In 2014, Obama repeated a claim, crafted by the White House communications team, that he was not “specifically” referring to the Islamic State terror group when he dismissed the militants who had taken over Fallujah as a “JV squad.” But The Fact Checker obtained the previously unreleased transcript of the president’s interview with the New Yorker, and it’s clear that’s who the president was referencing.
“Republicans have filibustered 500 pieces of legislation”
Obama, a former senator, got quite a few things wrong in this 2014 claim. He spoke of legislation that would help the middle class, but he was counting cloture votes that mostly involved judicial and executive branch nominations. Moreover, he counted all the way back to 2007, meaning he even included votes in which he, as senator, voted against ending debate — the very thing he decried in his remarks. At best, he could claim the Republicans had blocked about 50 bills, meaning he was off by a factor of 10.
“The Keystone pipeline is for oil that bypasses the United States”
Long before Obama killed the Keystone pipeline project in 2015, he made a number of dubious claims about it, including that the pipeline would have no benefit for American producers at all. But the crude oil would have traveled to the Gulf Coast, where it would be refined into products such as motor gasoline and diesel fuel; the State Department said odds were low that all would be exported. Also, about 12 percent of the pipeline’s capacity had been set aside for crude from North Dakota and Montana.
“We have fired a whole bunch of people who are in charge of these [VA] facilities”
Obama in 2016 misled the public about the number of people held accountable for the 2014 scandal over manipulated wait-time data at the Department of Veterans Affairs, which contributed to patient deaths. Congress responded by passing a law that sped up disciplinary actions for senior executive service employees. But when Obama made his statement in September, only one senior executive had been removed for a case involving wait time (though the actual firing was for an ethics violation).
To keep it simple, we have shortened the quotes in the headlines. To read the full column, click on the link embedded in the quote.
“More young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America”
This was a 2007 campaign claim by Obama, then a senator, that was wildly off the mark. In reality, there are*five times more black men enrolled in colleges and universities than young black men in federal and state prisons — and two and half times the total number incarcerated (including local jails). Even if you expanded the age group to include African American males up to 30 or 35, the college attendees would still outnumber the prisoners.
“We signed into law the biggest middle-class tax cut in history”
This 2011 claim was not based on a dollar figure but on dubious math — that supposedly 95 percent of working families received some kind of tax cut under the Making Work Pay provision in Obama’s*stimulus bill. John F. Kennedy actually wins the prize for biggest tax cut, at least in the last half-century. By the same measure, the income tax provisions of George W. Bush tax cuts were more than twice as large as Obama’s tax cut over the same three-year time span. (While a large portion of Bush’s tax cut went to the wealthy, it also benefited the working poor.)
“90 percent of the budget deficit is due to George W. Bush’s policies”
During the 2012 campaign, Obama repeatedly reminded voters that he became president during a grim economic crisis. But he went too far when he claimed that only 10 percent of the federal deficit was due to his own policies. About half of the deficit stemmed from the recession and forecasting errors, but a large chunk (44 percent in 2011) were the result of Obama’s actions. At another point, Obama also falsely suggested that the Bush tax cuts led to the Great Recession.
“If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it”
This memorable promise by Obama backfired on him in 2013 when the Affordable Care Act went into effect and at least 2 million Americans started receiving cancellation notices. As we explained, part of the reason for so many cancellations is because of an unusually early (March 23, 2010) cutoff date for grandfathering plans — and because of tight regulations written by the administration. So the uproar could be pinned directly on the administration’s own actions.
“The Capitol Hill janitors just got a pay cut”
President Obama offered an evocative image at a 2013 news conference when the sequester spending cuts struck the federal budget — janitors sweeping the empty halls of the Capitol, laboring for less pay. But it turned out that he was completely wrong. Janitorial staff did not face a pay cut — and Capitol Hill administrative officials even issued a statement saying the president’s remarks were “not true.” Then the White House tried to argue that janitors at least faced a loss of overtime. That was not correct either. The episode was emblematic of the administration’s overheated*rhetoric during the sequester debate.
“The day after Benghazi happened, I acknowledged that this was an act of terrorism”
Obama did refer to an “act of terror” in the immediate aftermath of the 2012 Benghazi attacks, but in vague terms, wrapped in a patriotic fervor. He never affirmatively stated that the American ambassador died because of an “act of terror.” Then, over a period of two weeks, given three opportunities in interviews to affirmatively agree that the Benghazi attack was a terrorist attack, the president obfuscated or ducked the question. So this was a case of taking revisionist history too far for political reasons.
“I didn’t call the Islamic State a ‘JV’ team”
In 2014, Obama repeated a claim, crafted by the White House communications team, that he was not “specifically” referring to the Islamic State terror group when he dismissed the militants who had taken over Fallujah as a “JV squad.” But The Fact Checker obtained the previously unreleased transcript of the president’s interview with the New Yorker, and it’s clear that’s who the president was referencing.
“Republicans have filibustered 500 pieces of legislation”
Obama, a former senator, got quite a few things wrong in this 2014 claim. He spoke of legislation that would help the middle class, but he was counting cloture votes that mostly involved judicial and executive branch nominations. Moreover, he counted all the way back to 2007, meaning he even included votes in which he, as senator, voted against ending debate — the very thing he decried in his remarks. At best, he could claim the Republicans had blocked about 50 bills, meaning he was off by a factor of 10.
“The Keystone pipeline is for oil that bypasses the United States”
Long before Obama killed the Keystone pipeline project in 2015, he made a number of dubious claims about it, including that the pipeline would have no benefit for American producers at all. But the crude oil would have traveled to the Gulf Coast, where it would be refined into products such as motor gasoline and diesel fuel; the State Department said odds were low that all would be exported. Also, about 12 percent of the pipeline’s capacity had been set aside for crude from North Dakota and Montana.
“We have fired a whole bunch of people who are in charge of these [VA] facilities”
Obama in 2016 misled the public about the number of people held accountable for the 2014 scandal over manipulated wait-time data at the Department of Veterans Affairs, which contributed to patient deaths. Congress responded by passing a law that sped up disciplinary actions for senior executive service employees. But when Obama made his statement in September, only one senior executive had been removed for a case involving wait time (though the actual firing was for an ethics violation).
You think Micawber is a Trump fan??? You're actually dumber than I thought you were.
From what I can tell, many lefties feel that if there is a large enough quantity of allegations, accusations, or propaganda about something, that it somehow becomes proof of it. Compilations like what he posted look pretty tasty when they are crafted to support the narrative that one is attempting to perpetuate. Unfortunately, many folks are not capable of differentiating these compilations from fact. Some folks really do use gish gallop as a strategy, and some folks are just ignorant.
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Says “rhym3pays”
I’ll talk about pseudonyms in a moment, but first, the tape they gave a transcript for in the Washington Post is not available to listen to. If it is, provide the link. I listened to another tape provided by another anti-Trumper, supposedly made in the 70’s, and it didn’t sound anything like him. On top of the fact that this one you’ve pointed to has no source for the audio, we’re supposed to trust the transcript they made from it. Yeah right. That’s like having Charles Manson as a baby sitter. No thanks. Any dimwit could have called up and pretended to be the “John Miller” they mention. How? Simple. Some hotel clerk receives a booking from a John Miller. He notices Donald Trump going to the room and realizes he must use that name as a pseudonym. The clerk is a bit of a prankster. He likes Trump, but also likes to do prank phone calls sometimes. He receives various calls for John Miller and puts them through, but listens on his end. He recognizes Trump’s voice. One time, late at night, when nothing is happening, he gets a call from another reporter wanting to talk to John Miller. This time he decides to take the call himself. He says, “Just a minute, I’ll put you through,” and clinks the phone against the counter before coming back on with a put-on Trump voice. “Hello, John Miller speaking,” he says, stifling a giggle.
“Hello Mr. Miller,” the reporter says. “You work with Donald Trump?”
“Yes I do,” the clerk says, trying not to laugh.
“And you have some inside information you’d like to share?”
“Sure, that’s right,” the clerk replies. He looks at the newspaper in front of him and sees Madonna's photo. “Um," he says, "did you know that Madonna has been around to his place a number of times?”
“Really? You mean the singer?”
“Uh huh. She was in his bedroom for a while last night.”
“I thought she left for England last night.”
“Oh yeah, no, I meant the night before that.”
“Really. Does she sleep with him?”
“Maybe. He’s a nice guy. Yeah, I think she has something for him.”
We’ll leave the hotel clerk there with his prank call. He makes a few more over the next year or two, and some survive to this day. Why don’t they release the audio? Because they know it doesn’t sound a thing like Trump. By the way, this kind of prank happens to lots of celebs, and Fake News never take them seriously. Notice they make a giant exception in Trump’s case? Notice you swallowed it hook, line and sinker?
As for pseudonyms, famous writers, authors, journalists, actors and other celebs often have pseudonyms for safety and other reasons. There’s nothing “lying” about that, because it involves force. More on that below. A famous billionaire would be very foolish not to have one or two pseudonyms. That won’t stop millions of Lefties, using usernames and pseudonyms aplenty, calling him a liar for it. Any old excuse will do.
Stars and billionaires have to use pseudonyms or aliases; there’s no choice, unless they want to be attacked, assaulted, abused, kidnapped or murdered. The whole point of a pseudonym is that you don't reveal it to anyone. All Hollywood stars use them, and half the celebrity talking heads in Fake News do too. It's called survival, not "lying". It is a testament to Trump's honesty that he did reveal his, since he would have had to invent two others to replace them, causing him a lot of disadvantage and trouble.
A terrorist puts a gun to a captured marine’s head and orders him to tell the camera that all Americans are filthy cowards, which the marine does. Do we call him a traitor and a liar? No, because he’s being forced to say those words. Force removes intent. A liar’s intent is to deceive, so the liar in this case is the terrorist, not the marine. If you agree the marine was forced, then you have to agree Trump (or Elvis) is also forced to use a pseudonym, because in both cases (the marine and Trump) not saying the words leads to death. When you’re forced to use a pseudonym there is no deception.
By the way, does it ever worry you that you are scraping the bottom of a barrel in desperation? What are you going to pick on your President for next? "Lying" about telling his second cousin that his crappy car is 'very nice'?
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Your points about Trump’s pseudonyms were answered in post #331.
Why do you believe the tapes aren’t pranksters? Why don’t they let us hear the audio? Why do you trust their transcript?
Did you know that every celebrity has pranksters calling Newspapers and TV networks, pretending to be various celebs? Did you know these are always filtered out and ignored by the media, but Fake News make an exception in Trump’s case. Did you ever think about that, or do you just believe any garbage they throw at you?
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Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Quote the exact lie and show the link. Stop rattling off misquotes and misinformation off the top of your pointy head.
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Yet you can't post even one lie Trump told concerning the matter, and the link to prove it. My, you must be feeling inadequate.
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
You and Micawber are standing around guffawing about Trump University, yet neither of you nitwits can present one lie to do with the issue, along with a link. How awkward!
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Canceled
There are countless lies presented on this thread - and they represent a small fraction of Trump's output.
He lies like he breathes. It's what he does.
He lies like he breathes. It's what he does.