View Full Version : would killing these cops in defense of this diabetic shock victim be justified?
SmarterthanYou
02-08-2012, 08:38 AM
http://www.lvrj.com/news/video-shows-officers-beating-motorist-in-diabetic-shock-138901274.html
Adam Greene is on his stomach as a pack of police officers pile on him, driving their knees into his back and wrenching his arms and legs. One officer knees him in the ribs; another kicks him in the face.
"Stop resisting," officers on the video yell, but Greene, his face pushed into the pavement, hasn't resisted. He doesn't even move -- maybe can't move -- because he's gone into diabetic shock caused by low blood sugar.
so how many of you would have sat there and watched these vicious thugs beat this defenseless man? would you have said or done anything?
in this specific case, it would be hard to say what i would do as it occurred on the side of the road and it is unlikely when i drove by i would know what was happening. that said, all the officers who engaged in this gross excessive force should be canned, sadly, they were not, merely disciplined. an ordinary citizen would be prosecuted and jailed for the same act. at least he recieved some monetary compensation.
also, killing is OT sty...
What is wrong with our society that these cops still have jobs?
As to killing them all to stop the beating, that seems rash. If you could clearly discern that it was an ongoing assault which would surely result in the victims death, that would be another story.
The officers should face charges and be fired.
SmarterthanYou
02-08-2012, 10:41 AM
in this specific case, it would be hard to say what i would do as it occurred on the side of the road and it is unlikely when i drove by i would know what was happening. that said, all the officers who engaged in this gross excessive force should be canned, sadly, they were not, merely disciplined. an ordinary citizen would be prosecuted and jailed for the same act. at least he recieved some monetary compensation.
also, killing is OT sty...
one has to consider, would yelling at them to stop do anything? other than get you arrested for interfering?
SmarterthanYou
02-08-2012, 10:46 AM
What is wrong with our society that these cops still have jobs?
As to killing them all to stop the beating, that seems rash. If you could clearly discern that it was an ongoing assault which would surely result in the victims death, that would be another story.
The officers should face charges and be fired.
it's that there wasn't enough uproar from the citizens of that city to warrant the city council or mayor from taking action. clearly that council/mayor/police chief will do nothing unless prompted by a large enough outcry, otherwise it would be admitting liability for the city/department and we all know that they will rarely, if ever, do that.
the problem we all face is that law enforcement is the largest street gang in america, deadlier than MS-13 even. this is because they have the full backing of the government and will hardly ever face any serious punishment.
Darla
02-08-2012, 01:33 PM
I just wonder what planet you live on STY? You kill a cop, under any circumstances and certainly under these, you are going to spend life in prison at the very least. You are quite likely to be put to death for it in many states.
I don't know why you are always challenging people here on this? Because if you did any of the things you are daring others to do? You wouldn't be posting here.
You'd be on death row.
Darla
02-08-2012, 01:38 PM
And please spare me the posts "So you support this behavior?"
Clearly, no. However, there is nothing in my post that is incorrect. There just isn't. You can't kill cops because they are using unreasonable force in making an arrest. All you can do is video it, and THAT is very likely to get you beaten and in some cases, arrested. But you can probably do that and still escape with your life and not spend the rest of it in prison. If you did any of the things Sty is challenging people here to do, you will be on death row. we know he doesn't do them, because he is not on death row. Period.
Don't even bring out the strawmen.
USFREEDOM911
02-08-2012, 02:04 PM
Maybe those with diabetes should have to wear a sign that warns others of their condition and they should only ride in cars that have license plates that show that their diabetics.
Either that or Police Officers should only be hired, when they can prove they have the ability to read minds and foresee the future.
Aoxomoxoa
02-08-2012, 02:33 PM
Maybe those with diabetes should have to wear a sign that warns others of their condition and they should only ride in cars that have license plates that show that their diabetics.
Either that or Police Officers should only be hired, when they can prove they have the ability to read minds and foresee the future.
Maybe police officers should be more aware and not just assume, it seems to me that many prefer to follow the philosophy of shoot first and ask questions afterwards.
SmarterthanYou
02-08-2012, 02:54 PM
Maybe those with diabetes should have to wear a sign that warns others of their condition and they should only ride in cars that have license plates that show that their diabetics.
Either that or Police Officers should only be hired, when they can prove they have the ability to read minds and foresee the future.
or maybe they should be taught that kicking handcuffed suspects, whether in the throes of a diabetic shock or not, is clearly unlawful. maybe we should start sentencing cops to death for any crime whatsoever.
Maybe those with diabetes should have to wear a sign that warns others of their condition and they should only ride in cars that have license plates that show that their diabetics.
Either that or Police Officers should only be hired, when they can prove they have the ability to read minds and foresee the future.
Maybe they should be trained to not beat the shit out of potentialy innocent people.
SmarterthanYou
02-08-2012, 02:56 PM
And please spare me the posts "So you support this behavior?"
Clearly, no. However, there is nothing in my post that is incorrect. There just isn't. You can't kill cops because they are using unreasonable force in making an arrest. All you can do is video it, and THAT is very likely to get you beaten and in some cases, arrested. But you can probably do that and still escape with your life and not spend the rest of it in prison. If you did any of the things Sty is challenging people here to do, you will be on death row. we know he doesn't do them, because he is not on death row. Period.
Don't even bring out the strawmen.
tell us darla, what is the answer? what do you propose we do? videotape them killing someone, risk getting killed ourselves, having our videos deleted as searches incident to arrest or death, and then seeing the prosecutor decline to press charges because they were simply following policy or there wouldn't be enough evidence to convict? what do you propose we do?
USFREEDOM911
02-08-2012, 02:57 PM
Maybe police officers should be more aware and not just assume, it seems to me that many prefer to follow the philosophy of shoot first and ask questions afterwards.
When do you intend to become a Police Officer, become a trainer, and show the new recruits how they're supposed to act?
Aoxomoxoa
02-08-2012, 04:14 PM
When do you intend to become a Police Officer, become a trainer, and show the new recruits how they're supposed to act?
I thought those principles were enshrined in the Constitution, apparently not as far as you are concerned?
Chapel The Evergreen
02-08-2012, 06:02 PM
And please spare me the posts "So you support this behavior?"
Clearly, no. However, there is nothing in my post that is incorrect. There just isn't. You can't kill cops because they are using unreasonable force in making an arrest. All you can do is video it, and THAT is very likely to get you beaten and in some cases, arrested. But you can probably do that and still escape with your life and not spend the rest of it in prison. If you did any of the things Sty is challenging people here to do, you will be on death row. we know he doesn't do them, because he is not on death row. Period.
Don't even bring out the strawmen.
But if that's a case then police are a serious problem in our system. How would you suggest rectifying it? (I'm asking seriously).
USFREEDOM911
02-08-2012, 06:23 PM
I thought those principles were enshrined in the Constitution, apparently not as far as you are concerned?
Since you completely avoided the presentation, it appears that it's safe to draw the conclusion that you don't have what it would take to join the force; but instead would rather just sit around and bitch.
But if that's a case then police are a serious problem in our system. How would you suggest rectifying it? (I'm asking seriously).
in this case, clearly not killing them. if you know what is going on, approach them if you want and inform them their actions are likely illegal. have video camera because that is your greatest weapon. then the person can sue and the lawsuit should send a powerful message. also, petition the city to change the rules regarding firing police officers who engage in this kind of behavior and change the law to allow criminal prosecution without having such a high threshhold.
Since you completely avoided the presentation, it appears that it's safe to draw the conclusion that you don't have what it would take to join the force; but instead would rather just sit around and bitch.
seriously? this is an internet messageboard, where ideas should flow. it is asinine to claim that anytime someone has an idea about something they should "join". if you don't like obama....run for office or stfu.
see how that works?
USFREEDOM911
02-08-2012, 08:12 PM
seriously? this is an internet messageboard, where ideas should flow. it is asinine to claim that anytime someone has an idea about something they should "join". if you don't like obama....run for office or stfu.
see how that works?
If someone is going to do nothing but bitch and moan, then they're not "sharing" ideas.
You seemed to take umbrage, regarding the flow of ideas about your intelligence.
Threedee
02-08-2012, 08:15 PM
DON'T TASE ME, BRO!!
USFREEDOM911
02-08-2012, 08:16 PM
DON'T TASE ME, BRO!!
We need that as an emoticon.
If someone is going to do nothing but bitch and moan, then they're not "sharing" ideas.
You seemed to take umbrage, regarding the flow of ideas about your intelligence.
why haven't you run for office yet? all you do is bitch and moan about obama.....
LOL
USFREEDOM911
02-08-2012, 09:11 PM
why haven't you run for office yet? all you do is bitch and moan about obama.....
LOL
Really!!
Care to show that's all I do.
Either put up or.............how did you put it............oh yeah................shut your pie hole!! :awesome:
poor USF....tells tom to join the police force when all tom did was offer a suggestion...but USF won't run for office
self pwn
USFREEDOM911
02-09-2012, 12:15 AM
poor USF....tells tom to join the police force when all tom did was offer a suggestion...but USF won't run for office
self pwn
Yep Yurt, you're right as usual.
Police officers should be required to know everything about everyone, or else they have no business trying to arrest of restrain them.
When the find someone they feel may be committing a crime, they should ask the person if they are doing anything illegal and if the person says no, then they should let them go.
Just think of all the money you could make, Yurt.
Just give every law enforcement agency your phone number and that way they can just call you to find out the proper procedure they follow through on; seeing as now you apparently know more then they do, about everything.
Yep Yurt, you're right as usual.
Police officers should be required to know everything about everyone, or else they have no business trying to arrest of restrain them.
When the find someone they feel may be committing a crime, they should ask the person if they are doing anything illegal and if the person says no, then they should let them go.
Just think of all the money you could make, Yurt.
Just give every law enforcement agency your phone number and that way they can just call you to find out the proper procedure they follow through on; seeing as now you apparently know more then they do, about everything.
Or they could just not beat the fuck out of people.
Why can't you see that that is the only real issue here?
Why do you keep avoiding this?
Darla
02-09-2012, 04:02 AM
But if that's a case then police are a serious problem in our system. How would you suggest rectifying it? (I'm asking seriously).
They are a serious problem. But are they the disease, or the symptom? I think that Americans have a sadistic streak, and they also love authoritarianism. During the Clinton years, a very young man, a kid really, was convicted of graffiti in (I think?) the Philippines. It's been a long time I am doing this from memory. He was sentenced to being publically flogged. Bill Clinton first said he wanted to protest with the government...Americans went nuts! The problem here is that we weren't publically flogging our youth! We should be tying them all to posts and whipping them! That's why America's youth was out of control! Of course, every generation says this about the youth, and their parents said it about them. But this never occurs to these morons. Anyway, Clinton was not exactly what you would call a morally courageous man, and he backtracked...he did get the kid's sentence reduced to like 50 whips instead of a hundred or something like that. But he backed off making the argument that this was sadistic and America should not stand for it.
Look at Sheriff psychopath in Arizona. People love him. I mean it goes on and on. People find tasering scenes in movies funny. It's not funny, it's torture and it also ends in the victim's death often enough. There is nothing funny about it.
So how do you change the people? See, they'd have to be changed before you could change the police. First the people would have to believe the police were wrong. And a majority of them simply don't. Not unless it happens to them. Look at Free. Unless some cop drags his stupid ass out of a car one night and beats the holy shit out of him on the side of a road, he doesn't care. In fact, he enjoys it. And he's not an anomaly. That's the problem.
As to what small things you can do now? Very little. Write letters to the editors. Encourage drug testing for cops. I don't know if you use a gym, but anyone who has used them for long enough has come across the cop gym. It's usually world or gold's. And that's when you find out that cops are the biggest steroid users in the country. And anyone who has ever known anyone who uses steroids knows that "roid rage" is no myth. But Congress is worried about baseball players. WTF? this country is upside down. I don't have the answers. I know that killing cops isn't the answer. YOu won't change a thing. But you'll be dead.
SmarterthanYou
02-09-2012, 05:46 AM
Since you completely avoided the presentation, it appears that it's safe to draw the conclusion that you don't have what it would take to join the force; but instead would rather just sit around and bitch.
contrary to the popular belief, being a cop isn't some heroic and noble profession........anymore.
SmarterthanYou
02-09-2012, 05:48 AM
in this case, clearly not killing them. if you know what is going on, approach them if you want and inform them their actions are likely illegal. have video camera because that is your greatest weapon. then the person can sue and the lawsuit should send a powerful message. also, petition the city to change the rules regarding firing police officers who engage in this kind of behavior and change the law to allow criminal prosecution without having such a high threshhold.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA send a powerful message? ROFL, that's hilarious.
SmarterthanYou
02-09-2012, 06:00 AM
this country is upside down. I don't have the answers. I know that killing cops isn't the answer. YOu won't change a thing. But you'll be dead.so it's better to do nothing, than to do something significant. yes, writing letters to the editor is doing something.....something that will garner you the same contempt that speaking out in public or even a message board will get you.......pomposity and ridicule from authoritarian morons like PMP and USFree.
I've read news stories about cops getting caught with steroids.....and they're disciplined with bullshit like a one day suspension while freely admitting that they would arrest anyone else NOT a cop that had steroids. PART of that problem begins with police officer unions. while most liberals like to think that unions are the peoples representatives, cop unions are the reason why cops get away with rape, murder, violent assaults on we the people. politicians will trip all over their tongues trying to get the support of these unions for election purposes and serfs like USFree and PMP check their names at election time. So no......things will not change now, nor will they unless drastic action is taken.
It can work and doesn't even have to end in violence. I've seen first hand how this can happen and you can also....IF you can find the numbers for it. case in point, a small new mexican town council decided to ban the carry of handguns inside their council meetings. 80+ people showed up for the next council meeting carrying handguns. The 3 sheriffs deputies there decided that it would be in their best interest to NOT enforce that prohibition. NUMBERS make all the difference, but I don't see that ever happening unless serious minded people, like the ones that I know who get angrier and angrier every day with the police misconduct, take a monumental stand. Otherwise, all YOU will end up doing is wasting your breath and time.
SmarterthanYou
02-09-2012, 06:00 AM
this country is upside down. I don't have the answers. I know that killing cops isn't the answer. YOu won't change a thing. But you'll be dead.so it's better to do nothing, than to do something significant. yes, writing letters to the editor is doing something.....something that will garner you the same contempt that speaking out in public or even a message board will get you.......pomposity and ridicule from authoritarian morons like PMP and USFree.
I've read news stories about cops getting caught with steroids.....and they're disciplined with bullshit like a one day suspension while freely admitting that they would arrest anyone else NOT a cop that had steroids. PART of that problem begins with police officer unions. while most liberals like to think that unions are the peoples representatives, cop unions are the reason why cops get away with rape, murder, violent assaults on we the people. politicians will trip all over their tongues trying to get the support of these unions for election purposes and serfs like USFree and PMP check their names at election time. So no......things will not change now, nor will they unless drastic action is taken.
It can work and doesn't even have to end in violence. I've seen first hand how this can happen and you can also....IF you can find the numbers for it. case in point, a small new mexican town council decided to ban the carry of handguns inside their council meetings. 80+ people showed up for the next council meeting carrying handguns. The 3 sheriffs deputies there decided that it would be in their best interest to NOT enforce that prohibition. NUMBERS make all the difference, but I don't see that ever happening unless serious minded people, like the ones that I know who get angrier and angrier every day with the police misconduct, take a monumental stand. Otherwise, all YOU will end up doing is wasting your breath and time.
Darla
02-09-2012, 06:34 AM
so it's better to do nothing, than to do something significant. yes, writing letters to the editor is doing something.....something that will garner you the same contempt that speaking out in public or even a message board will get you.......pomposity and ridicule from authoritarian morons like PMP and USFree.
I've read news stories about cops getting caught with steroids.....and they're disciplined with bullshit like a one day suspension while freely admitting that they would arrest anyone else NOT a cop that had steroids. PART of that problem begins with police officer unions. while most liberals like to think that unions are the peoples representatives, cop unions are the reason why cops get away with rape, murder, violent assaults on we the people. politicians will trip all over their tongues trying to get the support of these unions for election purposes and serfs like USFree and PMP check their names at election time. So no......things will not change now, nor will they unless drastic action is taken.
It can work and doesn't even have to end in violence. I've seen first hand how this can happen and you can also....IF you can find the numbers for it. case in point, a small new mexican town council decided to ban the carry of handguns inside their council meetings. 80+ people showed up for the next council meeting carrying handguns. The 3 sheriffs deputies there decided that it would be in their best interest to NOT enforce that prohibition. NUMBERS make all the difference, but I don't see that ever happening unless serious minded people, like the ones that I know who get angrier and angrier every day with the police misconduct, take a monumental stand. Otherwise, all YOU will end up doing is wasting your breath and time.
It does get you mocked, but if a lot of people who are aware of the steroids problem starting writing letters to the editor, and a perfect time to do that would be when the baseball crap was back in the news, then how many people will each published letter make think? It's not something a lot of people think about it, and the ones who do are usually the guys who are cop wannabes like correction officers and security guards, and other authoritarian types.
If I saw it, I'd videotape it, knowing full well I would likely be arrested. Being arrested doesn't scare me. Now, I don't want to be abused while in custody and that does scare me, but I would do it. But unless you are actually there, there isn't much you can do other than try to raise awareness. If you see a story about tasering for instance, write a letter to the newspaper.
Showing up for council and other public meetings is an excellent idea.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA send a powerful message? ROFL, that's hilarious.
would you kill the police if you saw this?
Yep Yurt, you're right as usual.
Police officers should be required to know everything about everyone, or else they have no business trying to arrest of restrain them.
When the find someone they feel may be committing a crime, they should ask the person if they are doing anything illegal and if the person says no, then they should let them go.
Just think of all the money you could make, Yurt.
Just give every law enforcement agency your phone number and that way they can just call you to find out the proper procedure they follow through on; seeing as now you apparently know more then they do, about everything.
bullshit strawman and the coward still won't run for office despite telling others virtually the same thing.
you can stfu now.
SmarterthanYou
02-09-2012, 08:20 AM
would you kill the police if you saw this?I hope I never come across something like this, because it would indeed end badly for all involved. I know exactly what would end up happening and it's not pretty. It's also why I have pre-written letters set aside for some of these events as contingencies.
PostmodernProphet
02-09-2012, 11:17 AM
one has to consider, would yelling at them to stop do anything? other than get you arrested for interfering?
obviously, something you wouldn't have to deal with if you started shooting them......
USFREEDOM911
02-09-2012, 12:23 PM
Or they could just not beat the fuck out of people.
Why can't you see that that is the only real issue here?
Why do you keep avoiding this?
Yep; you and Yurt are both cut from the same corner of the cloth.
No one needs to comply with a Policemans orders to lay on the ground and stop resisting.
If people don't want to comply, they can just refuse, and the Police need to just stand there and wait until the person decides to cooperate.
I see your point. :good4u:
China Apologist
02-09-2012, 12:25 PM
I probably would be too enthralled in my audiobook to notice anything.
Yep; you and Yurt are both cut from the same corner of the cloth.
No one needs to comply with a Policemans orders to lay on the ground and stop resisting.
If people don't want to comply, they can just refuse, and the Police need to just stand there and wait until the person decides to cooperate.
I see your point. :good4u:
Darla; see this? This is what STY is talking about. This freaking retard, who has a badge, actualy believes this shit.
USFREEDOM911
02-09-2012, 12:27 PM
bullshit strawman and the coward still won't run for office despite telling others virtually the same thing.
you can stfu now.
Oh, please don't be mad at me Yurt.
You're vast knowledge and comprehension has convinced me that you are possibly the most intelligent person, on these boards.
You're decision, regarding this situation, is spot on and everyone should bow to your expertise in this field. :good4u:
If USAFREEDOM had come upon this scene, he would have run over to the victim and helped the cops brake his ribs with his steel toed shit-kickers, then sat arround laughing at how big the poor bastard was.
USFREEDOM911
02-09-2012, 12:31 PM
Darla; see this? This is what STY is talking about. This freaking retard, who has a badge, actualy believes this shit.
Why are you angry.
You and Yurt are undeniably the two most intelligent people on these forums.
I can now see that the two of you have total insight into everything that has or will occur and that everyone should except your judgement of any situation as being the most perfect solution.
By yourselves, you are magnificent; but together, you two are unbeatable. :good4u:
Oh, please don't be mad at me Yurt.
You're vast knowledge and comprehension has convinced me that you are possibly the most intelligent person, on these boards.
You're decision, regarding this situation, is spot on and everyone should bow to your expertise in this field. :good4u:
Despite your idiotic comment that Yurt and I are cut from the same cloth (?) Yurt is right about some things. Just the fact that he and I are on the same side here should give you a clue.
Why are you angry.
You and Yurt are undeniably the two most intelligent people on these forums.
I can now see that the two of you have total insight into everything that has or will occur and that everyone should except your judgement of any situation as being the most perfect solution.
By yourselves, you are magnificent; but together, you two are unbeatable. :good4u:
Finaly, you see the light.
USFREEDOM911
02-09-2012, 12:36 PM
If USAFREEDOM had come upon this scene, he would have run over to the victim and helped the cops brake his ribs with his steel toed shit-kickers, then sat arround laughing at how big the poor bastard was.
That may have occured, in my past; but you two together have shown me the errors of my ways and everyone on these forums should follow the example that the two of you have exhibited.
I hereby declare that we all should do exactly how you and Yurt would have reacted.
Pleae tell us all and enlighten us how the two of you would have handled this situation; because it's apparent that these situations are happening all the time and we seriously need to understand how we should react. :good4u:
USFREEDOM911
02-09-2012, 12:37 PM
Despite your idiotic comment that Yurt and I are cut from the same cloth (?) Yurt is right about some things. Just the fact that he and I are on the same side here should give you a clue.
I never meant to post my support of the two of you and in doing so, upset you.
I'm sorry if my words have caused you to feel any kind of anguish.
The two of you show intelligence that is unsurpassed, on these forums. :good4u:
USFREEDOM911
02-09-2012, 12:38 PM
Finaly, you see the light.
If I may still do so, please explain how the two of you would have handled such a situation; seeing as how they seem to be occuring, all the time. :good4u:
Darla
02-09-2012, 12:39 PM
Darla; see this? This is what STY is talking about. This freaking retard, who has a badge, actualy believes this shit.
I know. He shouldn't have a badge. Unfortunately, I think that a higher percentage (than would present in other fields) of sociopaths and sadistic bastards who get off on power over others, are attracted to,well, to positions that give them power over others. Cops, correctional officers, etc.
SmarterthanYou
02-09-2012, 12:50 PM
obviously, something you wouldn't have to deal with if you started shooting them......
enlighten us as to what would happen 'beneficial' to the poor bastard being beat half to death.
If I may still do so, please explain how the two of you would have handled such a situation; seeing as how they seem to be occuring, all the time. :good4u:
If I were a cop? I don't think breaking the guys ribs would be on my agenda.
USFREEDOM911
02-09-2012, 01:13 PM
If I were a cop? I don't think breaking the guys ribs would be on my agenda.
I see that I used words that you didn't recognize; because I asked WHAT YOU WOULD DO, not WHAT YOU WOULDN'T DO.
Please except my apology and my clarification. :good4u:
I see that I used words that you didn't recognize; because I asked WHAT YOU WOULD DO, not WHAT YOU WOULDN'T DO.
Please except my apology and my clarification. :good4u:
Not worth responding to.
USFREEDOM911
02-09-2012, 01:32 PM
Not worth responding to.
I would have explained to in a manner you could understand; but I ran out of crayons and hand puppets.
Please forgive me.
I'll try to do better. :good4u:
It is troublesome though, that you refuse to provide guidance and show how you would have handled the situation. :palm:
PostmodernProphet
02-09-2012, 03:46 PM
enlighten us as to what would happen 'beneficial' to the poor bastard being beat half to death.
just pointing out that if you started shooting policemen you wouldn't be arrested, you would be dead......
SmarterthanYou
02-09-2012, 04:03 PM
just pointing out that if you started shooting policemen you wouldn't be arrested, you would be dead......
and they would most certainly have stopped beating that other man to death, wouldn't they?
and i wouldn't necessarily be dead, would I? the guy in idaho isn't and he killed one and wounded 5 others.
Darla; see this? This is what STY is talking about. This freaking retard, who has a badge, actualy believes this shit.
i'm pretty sure you're talking about USF....that said....correctional officers don't wear a "badge"....in that, they are not police officers. at all.
USFREEDOM911
02-09-2012, 10:35 PM
i'm pretty sure you're talking about USF....that said....correctional officers don't wear a "badge"....in that, they are not police officers. at all.
I don't mean to correct you, because of the vastness of your intelligence; but in this case, might I humbly suggest that you review the information you base this on.
Thithicus
02-09-2012, 11:55 PM
The problem is, most conservatives will ALWAYS defend cops no matter what they do. Same goes for the military.
USFREEDOM911
02-10-2012, 12:20 AM
The problem is, most conservatives will ALWAYS defend cops no matter what they do. Same goes for the military.
But then there's the other side of the coin and that's that most Liberals will ALWAYS condemn cops, no matter what they do. The same goes for the military.
i'm pretty sure you're talking about USF....that said....correctional officers don't wear a "badge"....in that, they are not police officers. at all.
1. Yes they do (wear a badge)
2. To use his own words, they are cut from the same cloth.
To clarify my position let me add that in Mass the jails are run by county sherrifs, deputies are guards.
Thithicus
02-10-2012, 08:13 AM
But then there's the other side of the coin and that's that most Liberals will ALWAYS condemn cops, no matter what they do. The same goes for the military.
Some people on the extreme left, perhaps. Not mainstream liberals.
Thithicus
02-10-2012, 08:18 AM
I was a block away from the scene when a Seattle police officer shot Native American wood carver John T. Williams. Everybody who witnessed the event, and even the camera in the police officer's patrol car showed something VERY different from the officer's version of the story. Williams didn't follow the officer's orders, but he did NOT threaten the officer and certainly did not deserve to die.
And yet, virtually all the conservatives I know defended the cop without question. The topic came up over dinner at my aunt and uncle's house and one of their friends was literally YELLING at me over the issue. It's mindless. I am not anti-cop, but I am anti-BAD cop, and unfortunately there are too many of them out there.
For claiming to believe in the sanctity of life, most conservatives have very little regard for the innocent people murdered by law enforcement every year.
I was a block away from the scene when a Seattle police officer shot Native American wood carver John T. Williams. Everybody who witnessed the event, and even the camera in the police officer's patrol car showed something VERY different from the officer's version of the story. Williams didn't follow the officer's orders, but he did NOT threaten the officer and certainly did not deserve to die.
And yet, virtually all the conservatives I know defended the cop without question. The topic came up over dinner at my aunt and uncle's house and one of their friends was literally YELLING at me over the issue. It's mindless. I am not anti-cop, but I am anti-BAD cop, and unfortunately there are too many of them out there.
For claiming to believe in the sanctity of life, most conservatives have very little regard for the innocent people murdered by law enforcement every year.
They consider it aceptable collateral damage worth the cost of them having a sense of personal phyiscal security.
USFREEDOM911
02-10-2012, 11:55 AM
I was a block away from the scene when a Seattle police officer shot Native American wood carver John T. Williams. Everybody who witnessed the event, and even the camera in the police officer's patrol car showed something VERY different from the officer's version of the story. Williams didn't follow the officer's orders, but he did NOT threaten the officer and certainly did not deserve to die.
And yet, virtually all the conservatives I know defended the cop without question. The topic came up over dinner at my aunt and uncle's house and one of their friends was literally YELLING at me over the issue. It's mindless. I am not anti-cop, but I am anti-BAD cop, and unfortunately there are too many of them out there.
For claiming to believe in the sanctity of life, most conservatives have very little regard for the innocent people murdered by law enforcement every year.
I read some articles on this and unfortunetly most of them suggest that the Officer should have know that John was holding a "DULL CARVING KNIFE" and that the Officer just wanted to kill someone.
I'm sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle; but will never be discovered.
Threedee
02-10-2012, 11:58 AM
I think this thread should have been titled "Would killing these cops be detrimental to their health?" just for fun... :cof1:
Vader
02-11-2012, 02:31 AM
http://www.lvrj.com/news/video-shows-officers-beating-motorist-in-diabetic-shock-138901274.html
so how many of you would have sat there and watched these vicious thugs beat this defenseless man? would you have said or done anything?
I would have called 911 and reported a bunch of officers beating a defenseless man. Then I would have reported the incident to the FBI in hopes that all of those involved were arrested and charged with assault with intent to cause injury and then jailed accordingly..... in general population.
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